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[mai]

Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF] (TOSEC-v2009-11-01_CM)
Usually i could upload WIP dat to FTP, but i need some info before.

So, what i have done until now:
I have checked every single disk Letters O - Z and if necessary corrected or improved.
I have fully matched(Letters A - Z) crack group names and abbreviations with current PandMonium database.

But i have moved and also completely removed a lot of sets and this could be the problem.
Now i want to know, if i have to explain, for every single set, why i have moved/removed?

Let me begin with the sets, which i have completely removed:

Omicron Conspiracy v1.0 (1990-10-19)(Image Works)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Angels - Defjam][u...          154 KB c96a29101b4a20cb320933c8bb608435
Overlord (1994-12-09)(Virgin)(Disk 2 of 3)[a].adf                                                880 KB 51a26a7738ad742baef371f499c996fa
Pac-Mania (1988)(Grandslam)[b errdms].adf                                                        880 KB 6d38725e98b85b7bb7f936e9a586e26c
Perihelion - The Prophecy (1993)(Psygnosis)(Disk 3 of 5)[cr PDX][a].adf                          880 KB 9e0d517688d5f7d21f53cb1a17c83429
Pinball BrainDamage (1998)(APC & TCP)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 5)(Boot).adf                             880 KB 0e447548ea45b5451ecc98d6e7ef7902
Pinball Wizard v1.0 (1987)(Kingsoft)[b overwritten files].adf                                    880 KB 927257272ad3c786b220cd7c3619e3c7
Skidoo (1989)(Inference)[b errdms].adf                                                           880 KB 2212153798923746805c44c097a9b978
Space War (1990)(Odyssey)(Disk 2 of 2).adf                                                       880 KB 0e664048b2a4aa58ec13f0113e62ef64
Special Forces (1992-02-10)(MicroProse)(Disk 3 of 3)(B)[cr SR][a].adf                            880 KB c6c054fa5855f073738c9fd725fa2893
Speedway Manager 2 (1994)(Mirage Media)(PL)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Picco][a].adf                        880 KB 21a01abcaa328fabeba355e7a19496ad
Subwar 2050 (1995)(MicroProse)(AGA)(M3)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr PSG][a3].adf                             880 KB 2fcf23155b6df72d95eaebbee1a1bd1d
Subwar 2050 (1995)(MicroProse)(AGA)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PSG][a3].adf                             880 KB 801c677a0bf4b193039d9bcff4412529
Super Cars II (1991)(Gremlin)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr SKR][a].adf                                        880 KB ebb6208cc02934cbe2e47b49c778a888
Super Scramble Simulator (1989)(Gremlin)(Disk 1 of 2).adf                                     880 KB da3a4345b313e1f8902fc194f201e2a5
Sword of Aragorn (1989)(SSI)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PNA].adf                                            880 KB 4f7dc1ec76b1570719e47489c3daeab8
Syndicate (1993)(Electronic Arts)(DE)(Disk 5 of 5).adf                                           880 KB 2eb79253ba2ebdf2b961b90850f7f959
Thomas the Tank Engine (1992)(Alternative)[cr QTX][t +2 Metal Force].adf                    11 KB 022df0aa634b4f949f0bb0a9929b4a3e
Treble Champions (1990)(Challenge)[cr VF][a2].adf                                                880 KB 4bac832cdbd26646e58111d1b17f29be
Trivia Game Show (1990)(Impressions)[h FLT].adf                                            165 KB 83feb3c67bcfda6c62096de727e7d7da
Ultima IV - Quest of the Avatar (1988)(Origin)[a].adf                                            880 KB 3d9c46987260dc5cbb1ebe6f9d56a4cd
Wings (1990)(Cinemaware)[unknown - Reel 3].adf                                                   880 KB 90296df057bdbe2e3dd486b9ed071a25
Xenomorph (1990)(Pandora)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr FLT][a].adf                                            880 KB d5404dfee427ba2ac04fff93fa0dfa14

As yo can see, there are 22 disks.
Now, what to do?
Meanwhile, after i have spoken to "TKaos"(and he has different opinion) i know, that it is probably not my decision to remove without a plausible reason.
Generally i can tell you, its garbage, in most cases, i am not able to identify the disk.
Please tell me about.

[PandMonium]

Hi TKaos mai  ,

nice to see your work here too, like you said i guess you need to give a bit more feedback on why you defend those sets should be moved (to which dat) or removed (to where), removing sets needs of course to have a good explanation because we have to know what was the problem and what are they after all, i don't know much about the system but will try to give you a better opinion when you explain a bit more.

I can give you some examples of moved/removed sets:
- gorski removed/moved some sets from sinclair that were in fact sam coupe sets (don't know how they got there)
- i think TKaos and/or any other member also removed some sets because they were just garbage (really), some xex sets that were in fact just other images converted with tons of files missing and or just patchs and so on.

Usually other renamers can give you a better opinion than mine, from looking at that list i see 2 or 3 really strange sets with really small size and all the others with 880kb, mostly alternates, maybe someone like andreas from EAB can help you out finding why they are alt?

(just removed one of your duplicated topics )

[mai]

Thanks, PandMonium,

Because of 2 sets, Andreas wrote in EAB Forum:

I suggest to DELETE the following two ones:

Trivia Game Show (1990)(Impressions)[h FLT](crc 7685D765)
53 KB packed; this is maybe a patch disk

Thomas the Tank Engine (1992)(Alternative)[cr QTX][t +2 Metal Force](crc 9F5F5BC1)
11264 bytes unpacked; this appears to be a trainer patch disk!!

Doesn't look broken to me at all: BUT it must be used as DMS and patched onto the QTX scene original using the DMS tool in overwrite/update mode!

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=597866&postcount=50

.....by the way, you can call me "mai"

[PandMonium]

hi mai (sorry just got back, tired, from work and will be leaving soon to play football ),

well at least with those 2 i guess you are right, maybe they don't fit in the games - ADF datfile, i don't know everything about other dats so maybe idoru or other guy can give a suggestion on removing them or moving to some other datfile where they would fit (if that exists )

keep up the good work

[mai]

Omicron Conspiracy v1.0 (1990-10-19)(Image Works)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Angels - Defjam][u][b errdms]

This disk is absolutly useless, its underdumped (154kb),the disk is (of course)not recognized by AmigaDOS, unlike other "Omicron Conspiracy v1.0" disk 2 sets.


Overlord (1994-12-09)(Virgin)(Disk 2 of 3)[a]

This disk its more than likely not a Overlord disk 2, i am not able to identify this disk, its not a DOS disk, unlike other "Overlord" disks 2.


Pac-Mania (1988)(Grandslam)[b errdms]

This disk has no Bootblock, game dont start, its useless.


Perihelion - The Prophecy (1993)(Psygnosis)(Disk 3 of 5)[cr PDX][a]

Its more than likely not a "Perihelion - The Prophecy" disk 3, its also not an other "Perihelion - The Prophecy" disk, i am not able to identify.


Pinball BrainDamage (1998)(APC & TCP)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 5)(Boot)[b]

Its a nearly emty disk, no "Pinball BrainDamage" files on disk.


Pinball Wizard v1.0 (1987)(Kingsoft)[b overwritten files]

You can see [ b] descriptor, there are no files on disk anymore, game dont start. Ok, probably you can restore the files, if you have the knowledge.


Skidoo (1989)(Inference)[b errdms]

Ok, i was able to identify, it was a little bit difficult, because game crashs, before any screen is visible.
It is "Harricana - Raid International Motoneige - Quebec-Canada 90 (1990)(Loriciel)(fr)[cr Sprint][h SR][b errdms]"
Then i will reinsert this disk, although this disk is also useless.


Space War (1990)(Odyssey)(Disk 2 of 2)

Seems to be a totally destroyed "Space War" disk 2, its not a DOS disk anymore, unlike the other disk2 set.


Special Forces (1992-02-10)(MicroProse)(Disk 3 of 3)(B)[cr SR][a]

Its a Save disk, exists a dat for Amiga Save disks?


Speedway Manager 2 (1994)(Mirage Media)(PL)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Picco][a]

No DOS disk, unlike all other "Speedway Manager 2" disk 2 sets.
Seems totally useless, because half of the disk is filled with string "Hit the programmer".


Subwar 2050 (1995)(MicroProse)(AGA)(M3)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr PSG][a3]
Subwar 2050 (1995)(MicroProse)(AGA)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PSG][a3]

Many unknown files on disk, it seems to be wrong installed.

Any comment or help would be nice.

[PandMonium]

hey mai,
good details you found about those sets, for some you could at least add more info to the bad dump flags

About this i can only give you my opinion but you should wait for other renamers opinion and specially idoru since we are talking about Amiga dats, like you said what we have there mostly is just "garbage", we say this because they are sets that have errors, mostly to the point of not being useful at all.

Well, what we have to remember is the main goal of our project, to catalog / create dbs about all sets that float / floated around, so anyone can use this information to identify sets. If they had a bad set with some error they would know, off course there are sets which are just garbage and i personally doubt they started floating around a lot since they don't even start (probably someone just dumped them BAD / with serious errors but even then submitted / added them to the dats so they are now spread around the world). This is probably true not only for Amiga but for other systems too (Nintendo and some others i suppose).
Anyway they are now in the dats and floating around so just remove it may not be the better option, just wait for others opinion too.

Off course all these sets aren't useful at all but i suppose we should provide a way to have dats with excluded flags (for example without bad dumps) for anyone who just wants to catalog specific sets

[TKaos]

Well as PandMonium already said, TOSEC is about collecting info about all files that are floating around on the web and it's always the way I've seen it.
Even if the files are like you say "useless" they are still usefull as information.
Of course some of the the *.dms disks can't be just transfered to *.adf, it won't work and I don't see a problem in creating a DAT for these disks.

[PandMonium]

I think so too but off course there must be or there should be a limit (not easy to define, should be the renamer to decide i guess :S) about what IS an image for some system, i just say this because i can create a stupid file filled with garbage and .adf extension and add it to the dat as a (really) bad dump
...and there are other ways of creating new stupid alts or bad dumps so i guess if i was a renamer i wouldn't be adding (or at least give priority to new unidentified stuff) a ton of alts and bad dumps just waiting for them to go away

[TKaos]

Well, as a renamer you're not forced to add anything to the DAT, I myself would only add max. 2-6 [a] also would only add bad dumps if there's no other clean dump of the rom because I rather have a bad version of a game than no version at all.

[Aral]

Because of the fragile nature of the floppy disk there will be times when dumps will be bad.  IMO this shit should not be in any TOSEC dat.  Also if a disk has a virus and there is another copy of the same game and intro these should be removed also.

With the amiga games adf i believe there should be only allowed to have a maximum of one [a] for each game / crack variant to eliminate the amount of fat that dat currently has.  

Maybe an idea with the amiga - game [adf] dat would be to start converting scene dms files to adf and have a [!] system like the iso's.  Then 2 people would be required to validate an adf and no more would be allowed after that point.  The reason i say use scene dms files is they are the only clean amiga files in existence.  No-one has modified or saved on these releases to change the crc and shai1 and converting these releases to adf is a very quick process.

As for finding archives of scene adf's that will not be a problem as most amiga nuts have GB's of dms files hidden away on HDD's and cd's.

[mai]

I have checked some sets closer:

Overlord (1994-12-09)(Virgin)(Disk 2 of 3)[a]
Found out with the help of "TKaos", its
Overlord (1990)(Virgin Mastertronic)(US)(Disk 2 of 2)

Sword of Aragorn (1989)(SSI)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PNA]
needs moving to Savedisk dat.

Syndicate (1993)(Electronic Arts)(DE)(Disk 5 of 5)
is
Legend of Kyrandia, The - Book One (1992)(Virgin)(DE)(Disk 5 of 9)[a2]

[mai]

update

Omicron Conspiracy v1.0 (1990-10-19)(Image Works)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Angels - Defjam][u...     c96a29101b4a20cb320933c8bb608435 - i will remove
Overlord (1994-12-09)(Virgin)(Disk 2 of 3)[a].adf                                                                51a26a7738ad742baef371f499c996fa - its Overlord (1990)(Virgin Mastertronic)(US)(Disk 2 of 2)
Pac-Mania (1988)(Grandslam)[b errdms].adf                                                                      6d38725e98b85b7bb7f936e9a586e26c
Perihelion - The Prophecy (1993)(Psygnosis)(Disk 3 of 5)[cr PDX][a].adf                                9e0d517688d5f7d21f53cb1a17c83429
Pinball BrainDamage (1998)(APC & TCP)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 5)(Boot).adf                                    0e447548ea45b5451ecc98d6e7ef7902 - i will remove
Pinball Wizard v1.0 (1987)(Kingsoft)[b overwritten files].adf                                                 927257272ad3c786b220cd7c3619e3c7
Skidoo (1989)(Inference)[b errdms].adf                                                                             2212153798923746805c44c097a9b978 - its Harricana - Raid International Motoneige - Quebec-Canada 90 (1990)(Loriciel)(fr)[cr Sprint][h SR][b errdms]
Space War (1990)(Odyssey)(Disk 2 of 2).adf                                                                      0e664048b2a4aa58ec13f0113e62ef64
Special Forces (1992-02-10)(MicroProse)(Disk 3 of 3)(B)[cr SR][a].adf                                 c6c054fa5855f073738c9fd725fa2893 - moving to Savedisks
Speedway Manager 2 (1994)(Mirage Media)(PL)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Picco][a].adf                       21a01abcaa328fabeba355e7a19496ad - i will remove
Subwar 2050 (1995)(MicroProse)(AGA)(M3)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr PSG][a3].adf                            2fcf23155b6df72d95eaebbee1a1bd1d - bad flag added
Subwar 2050 (1995)(MicroProse)(AGA)(M3)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PSG][a3].adf                            801c677a0bf4b193039d9bcff4412529 - bad flag added
Super Cars II (1991)(Gremlin)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr SKR][a].adf                                                  ebb6208cc02934cbe2e47b49c778a888 - bad flag added
Super Scramble Simulator (1989)(Gremlin)(Disk 1 of 2).adf                                               da3a4345b313e1f8902fc194f201e2a5 - moved to Compilatons bad flag added
Sword of Aragorn (1989)(SSI)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr PNA].adf                                                     4f7dc1ec76b1570719e47489c3daeab8 - moving to Savedisks
Syndicate (1993)(Electronic Arts)(DE)(Disk 5 of 5).adf                                                      2eb79253ba2ebdf2b961b90850f7f959 - its Legend of Kyrandia, The - Book One (1992)(Virgin)(DE)(Disk 5 of 9)[a2]
Thomas the Tank Engine (1992)(Alternative)[cr QTX][t +2 Metal Force].adf                        022df0aa634b4f949f0bb0a9929b4a3e
Treble Champions (1990)(Challenge)[cr VF][a2].adf                                                        4bac832cdbd26646e58111d1b17f29be - bad flag added
Trivia Game Show (1990)(Impressions)[h FLT].adf                                                         83feb3c67bcfda6c62096de727e7d7da - i will remove
Ultima IV - Quest of the Avatar (1988)(Origin)[a].adf                                                      3d9c46987260dc5cbb1ebe6f9d56a4cd - renamed to Ultima IV - Quest of the Avatar (1988)(Origin)[b missing files]
Wings (1990)(Cinemaware)[unknown - Reel 3].adf                                                         90296df057bdbe2e3dd486b9ed071a25 - i will remove
Xenomorph (1990)(Pandora)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr FLT][a].adf                                                 d5404dfee427ba2ac04fff93fa0dfa14 - its Xenophobe (1989)(MicroStyle)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr VF][t +1 Slipstream][a]

[mai]

Hello,

I have uploaded to my private folder on TOSEC FTP:
Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF] (TOSEC-v2009-12-15_CM)
I have also uploaded archive with all txt-files, which i have made while renaming, so we have always a history of changes.

[PandMonium]

I mai,
first of all good work and congratulations because i've found 0 errors in the dat, which is great for your first try with a dat so huge
only one note, we use the old cmp format, not the xml one so if you can please generate a new one selecting "Deprecated" instead of XML in dir2dat screen.

[mai]

Thanks for pointing me, now i have created and uploaded dat in "Deprecated" format.