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Offline nanonano

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Catalog Images?
« on: November 08, 2010, 03:01:20 PM »
How about starting a project to catalog images releated to software.

Right now the best source for this is a site called MobyGames. IMO MG is crap for it adds those godawful watermarks and as such it renders the images useless. That, and the fact that they make ad-revenue from this is not good.

I personally will not contribute to MG, however if tosec would have similar project, but without the watermarks, I would be happy to scan the boxes and CD that I have. Hell I'd even scan the manuals (and put them in a tidy CBZ).

I'd assume that this would be a gold-class resource for mess and other projects.

This idea came to me as I started to play with the tosec datfiles, and I started making a new frontend. :)
Kind of what maws is to mame but for tosec dats (+mame +dosbox).

Now I could start this project alone, but as i'm not known group, it would automatically be dismissed as too ambitious. However if this were to be a tosec project, contributors would flow in. I'd imagine that by announcing this in few emu/news website, the project would gain a lot of contributors.


Oh and Hello All!



Offline PandMonium

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Re: Catalog Images?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2010, 03:28:34 PM »
Hi nanonano,

The idea sounds great and is something that some of us have already discussed previously, actually i even think someone started that long ago but it failed. It is a huge task and means really a LOT of work to do so a good number of volunteers would be needed, anyway like i said, i liked it.
Lets see what the others have to say about it, anyway it is something that needs to be well defined and planed before starting (how to do it, names, size, format, bla bla).

Finally, about this but especially magazines, we already have a branch (TOSEC PIX) leaded by Aral where you may found manuals and other scans, you may contact him by pm if you want to help him out with some manual scans i guess.

Offline haynor666

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Re: Catalog Images?
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 07:15:47 PM »
Personally I don't need such collection because everytime I need something I look at moby games or other similiar sites. They don't have manuals so only manuals I have to look elsewhere. I'm most interested in roms, disk etc.

Offline nanonano

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Re: Catalog Images?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 11:29:28 AM »
Alright. I did a little preliminary research on some of my boxes. (check the attachment)

Personally I would like to expand this even more. Into: titles, gameplay, icon -files. I'm inspired by a similar image-pack for MAME witch i like it a lot.
As these images would be subjective in contrast to tosec's highly empiric info, i'm not sure if it fits into the project's scope, however it would be easier to implement as taking screenshots is quite simple process.

For the projects interface i propose that we'd make a script that parses the datfiles into mysql-db and render the output web-pages with php. From witch contributors can upload images. For motivational purposes this system would also allow gauge's (ie. A1200 has 200 perfect sets, missing sets: 400...).

Now when a release is made it could be possible to remove entries from the www-interface of those rom's that already have imagesets. Thus leaving only those that are missing something. -> It would be easier for people to check their games if they have anything to contribute.


Offline PandMonium

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Re: Catalog Images?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 10:59:05 AM »
Good first plan! It actually will mean tons of work and now we are really few so IMO if you ahead with the idea i would suggest to start focusing on a single part first. For example, start by covering a small system with title / ingame shots. It would be better to have something (or a few of them) finished from time to time, that's the reason of my suggestion. Beginning working on all collections and various systems already will spread the work and take a long run until results are observed.

Other concerns are also things like:
format (png)
size (original resolution)
image names (how we plan to relate images to sets - in a db name is unneeded although having a standard, like use image_crc.png or variations is good. On the other hand, to provide images to others they may be able to relate images to sets, mame (you referred it) solves this with name, but they use 8.3 names)
images repetition - In TOSEC we have tons of sets that are "repeated", from different dumps of the same software (alts, hacks, cracks, bad, etc), various disks, to clones, different versions or localizations and such. Many may be exactly equal and so share the same pic, others may have small but noticeable differences and so different images. Base only on a naming scheme here would make it highly complicated, we could try to link images to set titles instead of the entire setfiles too.

All these and more should be well defined before start, as for the web thingy idea, it is something that takes tons of work too to produce given the amount of data and complexity of some things (like the convention), something that i'm really missing lately (and will be for a few more months at least). Anyway i have a similar idea but not that much time to explain now, i will try to explain later if i get the time, pm me! :)

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Re: Catalog Images?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 11:08:35 PM »
I already do that with the TOSEC-PIX project.  Send me a PM if you like and we can discuss.

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Re: Catalog Images?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2010, 11:10:24 PM »
Panda please move this discussion to the PIX area

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Re: Catalog Images?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2010, 11:13:43 AM »
Done!
AFAIK currently the PIX part is more focused on manual/mags scans, would be a good addition to have other dats for example Atari 2600 - Games - Screenshots - Gameplay and so on, those could be useful in many cases for us and other people :)