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TOSEC Project => TOSEC ISO => Topic started by: captcpsc on September 27, 2010, 12:31:53 PM

Title: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on September 27, 2010, 12:31:53 PM
TOSECISO Has 17 entries into the database one consiting of misc music.  But I could not find an entry for Atari Jaguar, I'm thinking there are other entries missing as well.  How is the data from systems NOT in the database (or in the database but not listed on the index page) being put in?  Is there a trick to seeing the Atari Jaguar database on http://toseciso.org/ (http://toseciso.org/) AKA CD Dumping project.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on October 06, 2010, 06:20:14 PM
I've still not received any replies on this?  I guess it's really hard to just give someone access to the database.  But, I would really like to help if possible.  I even promise to make backups before I make any changes!!!
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: TKaos on October 06, 2010, 07:02:11 PM
I'm sorry but I can't tell you anything about TOSEC-ISO and i'm affraid that nobody of that team is active here except idoru which is also a bit mssing atm.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on October 06, 2010, 07:05:11 PM
Any ideas anyone on how to get a hold of members from the TOSEC-ISO team.  I haven't yet checked their IRC but I'm not thinking I will find anything there but Idle logins....
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: TKaos on October 06, 2010, 07:10:40 PM
I guess alot of them hang around in the EAB.

http://eab.abime.net/
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: PandMonium on October 06, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
As TKaos said no one around has access to the iso site/db i think (apart from idoru).
Also, don't want to demotivate you or something but i wouldn't expect access to it at all. Just think about it, no project that i know (not only rom related) will provide all their data and code to someone that asks for it, only if they are opensource / free / available from the start. Things don't work that way. Usually, at least around here, people came along and start to participate and being part of the community, helping out with smaller tasks and after a while they get more and more involved, once they understood all the details and showed they are really interested in the project.

I may be wrong, obviously, but you will have to wait for someone from ISO part to reply to you, maybe they need some updates and improvements on their system or need to add something new and your help will be really appreciated then. :)
Also, i already said that i have really no idea on how toseciso works. I guess for the Jaguar case (doesn't appear listed) is that those dats are probably made somewhere else (i see no point in having the system there as hidden). You may also try to ask for details at dumpcast, the group(?) that dumps tosec dreamcast sets :P
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on October 06, 2010, 08:13:18 PM
I see your point PandMonium.  Just frustration that is all.  I really enjoy what I have learned and seen from the TOSEC forum and totally have a passion for retro-gaming and preservation...  I'm just looking to make a difference and obviously you are right in what you said.  Maybe I've come along at the totally wrong time?  Maybe too late, maybe too early maybe there is going to be another burst of energy in the future and I've just got here too quick?  I will continue on my way collecting the current state of the TOSEC both ROM and ISO and then see what I can do.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: TKaos on October 06, 2010, 08:29:45 PM
There's always happening something in the background, even when TOSEC was called dead there were like 2-3 renamers still working on it, just because nothing of it got released people often thought that nobody is doing anything anymore.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on October 06, 2010, 08:55:12 PM
Another good point.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: TKaos on October 06, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
Atleast now we have a forum and some of us renamers using it to give some information about our recent WIP work. :)
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on October 07, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
True... I would like to think that people whom have decided to take on projects such as this could spend an average of 15 minutes a day.... responding to emails and administrating the site etc...  I can EASILY see how you could spend your entire life working on this and only this and since there is no LEGAL money to be made in it...end up flat broke and no job...  but say Idoru passes away.  It's sad and I'd rather not think about it... but say it does happen.  SAY he is the only ADMIN....  it's DONE then...what?  
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: TKaos on October 08, 2010, 03:36:22 AM
There are more people than just idoru who has access to all DATs. ;)
So the project won't be gone if 1 of them is away.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on October 08, 2010, 03:00:26 PM
Oh well that's good.  Are any of the other people with access anywhere around?  Do you know their handles? 
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: PandMonium on October 08, 2010, 05:48:25 PM
I think you didn't understand what he said. He just said that other persons around have access to wip dats too (the renamer producing the wip dat and some of our members, after a while regular members start having it too once needed :P).
We are referring to the main branch dats (disk dats), not the ISO dats / work. The iso part works in a different way, there is a db with the existent dumps (toseciso.org), dumpers all around the world can contribute and dump sets according to our method, once dumped and submitted (the hashs), the set becomes available in the future dats. This is all managed at the site and dats are generated there from time to time (AFAIK).

Ok? :) (i described what how i think it works / sounds logical, i've never tried or used the system).
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: TKaos on October 09, 2010, 10:55:33 AM
Well I'm sorry that I can't help you, I'd really like to see more people contributing to the ISO part too but I'm just active in the TOSEC non ISO section.
I know it's frustrating to not see a release in all the months that passed since last time, currently we're working on it but keep in mind that we're all busy in real life, PandMonium really has small amount of time but atleast he always gives answers in the forum and still do some other stuff in the few free time he got.
I'm not really busy atm but at the moment I've to force myself a bit to do something, maybe it's also cause I have no idea yet when a release will happen.
I've no idea how TOSECISO releases work and who's able to do them, can just think of some people that might be able to.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: PandMonium on October 09, 2010, 01:24:29 PM
I didn't read much of the first part with the strikeout text :P

You already understood how dats are created, sets are dumped and submitted, i think that they release dats with sets only confirmed once, the 2 dumps from 2 different sources are only used to guarantee that the dump is a "verified good dump", marking it with "[!]".

Now about your question, i really don't know. I've never talked with anyone about it and i only know that idoru has access to it. I think Duke coded it and there are a couple more guys working regularly with it (Maddog, GordonJ and so on). I have no knowledge on how the access is controlled there and who does what :P

Sorry for my last reply, i didn't notice this was on the iso board and so i referred to the entire project.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Aral on October 10, 2010, 11:44:48 AM
wtf????
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Aral on October 10, 2010, 11:52:25 AM
i am going to bite my tongue, i really am....
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Ripper006 on October 17, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
TOSECISO Has 17 entries into the database one consiting of misc music.  But I could not find an entry for Atari Jaguar, I'm thinking there are other entries missing as well.  How is the data from systems NOT in the database (or in the database but not listed on the index page) being put in?  Is there a trick to seeing the Atari Jaguar database on http://toseciso.org/ AKA CD Dumping project.

Let me clarify a few things on this [sorry this is my first post - so I am taking it slow]. -->
1. there are more systems not listed on http://www.toseciso.org [like pc-fx, pce, psx, ps2, nuon etc]
2. as to cd-da only optica media --> thats a different ballgame
3. there isn't a trick as to wether such systems are in database or not --> its simply not there
4. reason why its not there --> since we using a test program called TruRip which is is still under development
5. also we are working on a new website, which not only has hashes of iso's etc but also all other information [long story]
6. the new website will also be linked to the new ripper / burner [also for downloadable content, art, fixable files, logfiles, submissions etc bla]
7. and yes we can allready dump jaguar cd (verifyable), cdi-ready etc bla
8. and yeah its better then current programs like EAC, isobuster, alcohol, cdrwin, PerfectRip, ImgBurn etc --> we been working on it for 2 years and testing also all current programs out.

I hope I answered any questions you having else start nagging me :)
[and btw new ripper can allready do a tosec or a redump rip with 1 click :) --> means no hacking, editing, deleting, adding, altering etc bla ]
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Ripper006 on October 17, 2010, 10:23:22 PM
PandMonium
Now about your question, i really don't know. I've never talked with anyone about it and i only know that idoru has access to it. I think Duke coded it and there are a couple more guys working regularly with it (Maddog, GordonJ and so on). I have no knowledge on how the access is controlled there and who does what

-->
Yes Duke coded it [at start], and Idoru maintaining it. Duke lost interest long ago. Don't ask me the reason, I don't know / don't care really.
And nope --> only Maddog has access to it as in being a maintainer of Neo Geo CD and IBM PC.
GordonJ has nothing to do with it. He just downloads from my tracker server -> toseciso server [dumpers only] --> and spits all crap as first out to PD tracker [so he gets credits --> who cares --> he is taking time / effort to spread around --> someone has to do that]

Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Ripper006 on October 17, 2010, 10:33:46 PM
TKaos -->
Well I'm sorry that I can't help you, I'd really like to see more people contributing to the ISO part too but I'm just active in the TOSEC non ISO section.

-> noted :) Keep in mind there are people willing to contribute and have also then what the website shows atm.

I know it's frustrating to not see a release in all the months that passed since last time, currently we're working on it but keep in mind that we're all busy in real life,

-> Yes, there are reasons why there aren't new releases in the past months. It has to do with new website and new ripping methods. And yes at some point you can't expect Idoro or Maddog spending a shitload of time into it knowing something coming soon.

PandMonium really has small amount of time but atleast he always gives answers in the forum and still do some other stuff in the few free time he got.  I'm not really busy atm but at the moment I've to force myself a bit to do something, maybe it's also cause I have no idea yet when a release will happen.

--> Yeah we are busy all, no point (imo) to measure it --> keep in mind this is a 'hobby' and most important thing to keep  the 'fun'- factor into it - Beleive me we made many mistakes on that 1 in the past. And 1 thing I knew is --> you can't rush these things. All doing their best to their abilities [like I have here 2y / 5y old kid --> zxyo have 3 kids etc --> bloody vampires]

I've no idea how TOSECISO releases work and who's able to do them, can just think of some people that might be able to.
--> Its simple, only 2 people can add dumps to toseciso db, and only 1 can release the dats --> idoru. Which gets uploaded to a private tracker.

Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Ripper006 on October 18, 2010, 08:04:58 AM
Note to Idoru --> if something is wrong with my posts or need commenting --> then yell and reply :)
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: captcpsc on October 18, 2010, 06:07:46 PM
Awesome and very informative! 
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I hope I answered any questions you having else start nagging me  :)

Did you really mean "start" nagging you? 

I sent you a private message I hope you can spare a few minutes to respond to it!

Again thanks for these answers! 
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Tim2460 on October 20, 2010, 08:29:24 PM
I'm gonna pop the annoying question ,)

Is it difficult to transform the old rips to the new ones created with truRip?
With diff or par2 ?

After all it shoud be 99.99% the same isn't it ?

Edit : And can we beta test the TruRip Program ? ,)

I have several Saturn Disks there
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Ripper006 on October 21, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
Depends on system. But i guess you knew that all ready  :-X
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Tim2460 on October 21, 2010, 10:43:50 PM
Not really

Wanted to estimate the amount of work for someone with both the old and new rip to create diff or par2 so that other people with only the old rips can
create the new rip out of them wihout redownloading everything.
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Ripper006 on October 21, 2010, 10:58:57 PM
yes will do. Probably will end up adding the par2 files for dl at new website
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Ripper006 on October 21, 2010, 11:00:27 PM
anyways keep in mind I will be adding also the sub files which you need to dl anyways --> shouldn't be too much

still in short: as to redumps needed --> no escaping that 1 --> will see how far we can 'repair' as to current sets. It really depends on what system you are speaking about. But will try to make as 'generic' as possible. Besides the par2 files its also a matter of formats to be chosen and names (tnc) of filenames [long story - we will speak / discuss about it later: seriously hating the current filenaming crap]
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Tim2460 on October 22, 2010, 09:23:05 AM
Ok

Good to know and Thank You for the answer

Edit : BTW proposition to beta test true Rip still on ,)
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: Tim2460 on October 22, 2010, 11:59:07 AM
BTW2 I hope par2 programs are available on Win, Mac and Linux OS ?
Title: Re: TOSCECISO Database
Post by: haynor666 on November 08, 2010, 07:17:41 PM
Idoru is planning (or maybe he already did) new site for TOSEC ISO and new dumping tool. Lets' see what happens in next 2 months.