Author Topic: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State  (Read 6469 times)

Offline Gonzo1605

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Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« on: July 05, 2011, 03:53:34 PM »
Hi

I would spend some time to help in the next months things will get back to normal on that front, I also own lot's of German IBM Pc compatible Games that haven't be ripped so if anyone can say me who manage Iso's at the moment or what state we are I think I nwould help with time if I know how

maybee Ripper006 I heard you did something here if this is correct you can pm me thx

Greats Gonzo



Offline neoqoo

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 07:25:01 PM »
hi its nice to see you may help the tosec iso devs .

Are you from Germany too like me ? :)

Offline Gonzo1605

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 07:55:23 PM »
hi its nice to see you may help the tosec iso devs .

Are you from Germany too like me ? :)
Yes I'm from Germany too near Stuttgart

Greets Gonzo

Offline PandMonium

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 02:51:51 PM »
Hey Gonzo,

Thanks for your help. Like i told you before, most of the members around here are more dedicated to the main branch so few can inform you about the ISO part. idoru was the one managing iso and since he left and the iso.org site was lost i've really few information about it (not that i had much before)
As for the others, Maddog and Aral are the ones that you can try to contact that are into the ISO part, hopefully they will tell you something. Hope it can get back up, for my part i don't have the time atm to help and my previous offers weren't needed before.

Cya

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2011, 12:04:05 PM »
Gonzo (and anyone else interested) I am sad to report that the old toseciso site is beyond our control and info is probably lost forever.

AFAIK idoru was maintaining/paying the bills for the site and it went down as he lost interest. Since fees were probably not paid, the site is quite likely to be deleted.
The only system where no info was lost was the DC GDI, since I was the one maintaining that. I also have gathered some unverified info from a few dumpers, but the large bulk of data is lost. Unless idoru returns by miracle. Too much centralization did the damage.  :-\

If you want to submit new PC dumps, Aral is your man. He did the last dat.
Any further questions from anyone, feel free to ask.

Offline Tim2460

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2011, 09:22:38 PM »
Most of us in Pleasuredome got all the old Tosec Iso Files...

Could that helps or some more info was lost ?

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2011, 10:42:04 PM »
yes, AFAIK some more info went missing.
I never saw the system or data but there was info there that is not present in the dats (not only filenames, sizes and hashs), mostly ids or disc numbers of something like that. Probably also information on unverified dumps that were not in dats yet.

I'm not saying there's nothing to do now and it will just die. Still, dumpers can continue dumping (and a few do i think) and dats can still be created. The verification process and management of information is just harder now (manual) and will be for some time. Especially since few (or none) of us around here fully knows what was lost, how it worked and who contributed, mainly due to the centralization as Maddog said.

I'm sure better times will come! I would like to help getting at least part of it running again but unfortunately i'm very busy atm and have a lot of other things to do too :)

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2011, 06:09:24 PM »
We have definitely not lost the dats/hashes or actual published files.

What we will sorely miss is ringcode and other information not available in dats and also unverified dump hashes. Everything unverified (apart from the stuff I was able to gather back from the original dumpers) reverts back to undumped status.
Also, doing a dat manually is a fuckin' nightmare (creating cuefiles especially) since automatic creation of cues and dats was lost with the site.

We also lack a proper leader for the ISO part. Aral and myself are rather busy with real life so we are struggling with speed of updates. Guess we need younger blood aboard. :)

Offline Gonzo1605

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 10:49:57 AM »
Does no one of the old ISO Dumpers own this informations ?
Is no one able to contact Idoru maybee Aral ?
Ripper006 said Duke runs the Website so the Question is who we can contact Duke to get this infos back ?
The hardest way to get this infos back is talking with all dumper an ask them to give us the infos from the Originals that we can build a new Database but this will be lost of work and no one knows if they are would help us
 

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2011, 12:48:30 PM »
Gonzo the information is lost and cant be replaced as there was no site backup.  We will have to start from scratch i'm afraid.....

Offline StarControl

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 09:19:20 AM »
This is sad.  Were the scans permanently lost?  I was going to use the 3DO scans for a project of mine.

I don't know if it is useful to you or not, but for Saturn much of the ring code information is kept at madroms.satakore.com and I could probably talk madroms into letting you use the data.  He matches it based on header file rather than toseciso dump CRC, but there ought to be a way to reconstruct it.  Perhaps you could even take this opportunity to thin out the duplicate dumps.

I've got a fairly complete U.S. Sega CD set of ring codes/header info from my recent Darkwater efforts.  

As far as scans go, I got the impression that the scans were meant to document the tosec dumps more than they were to provide a complete set of scans.  My scans are generally cleaned, so they may be of no interest to you, but I do have what is probably the most complete set of Saturn scans on the net.  I keep vowing to release them and then I keep finding one more improvement I want to to make.  I've also got a growing set of Sega CD scans, but they are mostly U.S. at this point.  The Sega CD scans are mostly raw, which might be of more interest.  At any rate, you are welcome to any of this that you find useful.

But the one thing that I would really like to see most of all out of Tosec ISO is a 100% complete U.S. Dreamcast set.  It is so tantalizingly close to complete.  Does anyone have the dumping guide for Dreamcast?

I'm also curious about the state of the dumping tool and the image corrector.  I contacted idoru back in 2009 about joining as a team member for Saturn and he basically suggested I wait until the dumping tool was finished.  At the time you guys were using a really old version of EAC with a bug that introduced a minor but correctable error in the dumps.  My version of EAC was already plenty old and I wasn't willing to roll back that far to join the team since idoru was saying the shiny new dumping tool was just around the corner.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2011, 09:36:46 AM by StarControl »

Offline Gonzo1605

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 12:23:29 PM »
Gonzo the information is lost and cant be replaced as there was no site backup.  We will have to start from scratch i'm afraid.....
Thx Aral for the Info

So I think if we have to start at the point zero we should start with the new trurip dumped set or with them they will up soon as trurip
« Last Edit: July 19, 2011, 12:57:47 PM by Gonzo1605 »

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 10:09:52 AM »
Trurip so far has proven more bad that good.
It basically stalled the dumping project while being developed, since idoru didn't want to add dumps done with the old method when the new one was "around the corner" (based on Ripper006 sayings in early 2009).

It's now halfway through 2011 and Trurip is still not publicly available. AFAIK Ripper006 wants to keep it for his own purposes, perhaps someday come out of the dark like the new Messiah of the dumping scene. He definitely doesn't really want to share his program with TOSEC.
I'd really like to be proven wrong on that, but my hunch says otherwise...and my IRC logs too.

Fuck Internet Power Struggles.

Offline Gonzo1605

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2011, 09:31:39 PM »
Thx Maddog

Ok I try to contact Ripper006 what status trurip has and when it will become public so all can dump with trurip if I get no answer or a answer like he don't know when then I think we have better take the old way

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Re: Help to put Tosec Iso in normal working State
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2011, 09:30:41 AM »
Trurip so far has proven more bad that good.
It basically stalled the dumping project while being developed, since idoru didn't want to add dumps done with the old method when the new one was "around the corner" (based on Ripper006 sayings in early 2009).

It's now halfway through 2011 and Trurip is still not publicly available. AFAIK Ripper006 wants to keep it for his own purposes, perhaps someday come out of the dark like the new Messiah of the dumping scene. He definitely doesn't really want to share his program with TOSEC.
I'd really like to be proven wrong on that, but my hunch says otherwise...and my IRC logs too.

Fuck Internet Power Struggles.

I got he following message from Ripper006

I wrote
Hello
 
we need info's about trurip and his status when will it be Public ? Because we plan to start a new tosec-iso infobase. I heard also some People working on a new Site did you know something about this ?
 
He answered

no need. we are workign on bew tosec-iso website. will be linked to trurip also.
 
and define we please.

since tosec-iso = aral, zxyo, tolvatar, ack (and me of course).
 
sry for the late reply, just arrived back from holiday today (2 weeks gone)