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TOSEC Project => Database / Datfiles => Errors & Contributions => Topic started by: tomse on January 15, 2016, 04:31:33 PM

Title: Some C64 renames
Post by: tomse on January 15, 2016, 04:31:33 PM
@DuncanTwain

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Commodore C64\Applications\D64
Commodore C64\Applications\PRG


Inter Paint v1.0+ (1992)(Rebels)
Inter Paint v1.0+ (1992)(Rebels)[a]
Inter Paint V1.0+ Fixed (19xx)(Rebels)
Interpaint (1992)(Interactivision)[cr V+G]
Interpaint (1992)(Interactivision)[cr V+G][a]

Renames to
InterPaint 1.0<snip>(1992)(InterActivision)<snip>

Interword (19xx)(Genetix)
Interword (19xx)(Genetix)[a]

Renames to
InterWord v1.02 (1992)(InterActivision)<snip>


"InterActivision" is actually "InterActivision ApS."
ApS. is a type of company like GmbH, Ltd.
I'll leave that to you to add or omit this. :-)


Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on January 15, 2016, 07:23:05 PM
Cheers, I'll fix them.
My database show a couple more (mathing on exact content):

d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[D64]   Interpaint (1992)(Interactivision)[cr V+G][a].d64
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[D64]   Inter Paint v1.0+ (1992)(Rebels)[a].d64
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[LNX]   Inter Paint V1.0+ Fixed (19xx)(Rebels).lnx
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[D64]   Inter Paint V1.0+ Fixed (19xx)(Rebels).d64
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[D64]   Interpaint (1992)(Interactivision)[cr V+G].d64
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[D64]   Inter Paint v1.0+ (1992)(Rebels).d64
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[LNX]   Inter Paint v1.0+ (1992)(Rebels).lnx
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[PRG]   Inter Paint v1.0+ (1992)(Rebels).prg
d:\MyTosecWork\C64\Applications\[PRG]   Inter Paint V1.0+ Fixed (19xx)(Rebels).prg
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: tomse on January 15, 2016, 07:44:59 PM
nice spotted.. I wonder why my windows search didn't pop up with the lnx..
oh well :-) 

cheers :-)
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on January 16, 2016, 10:26:34 AM
;)
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Kodoichi on November 19, 2017, 03:41:17 PM
Demos - D64:

Wonderfull Women 1 (1986)(The Perfect Combination)
= Wonderful Women 1 (1986)(The Perfect Combination)

Wonderfull Women 1 (1986)(The Perfect Combination)[a]
= Wonderful Women 1 (1986)(The Perfect Combination)[a]
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on November 19, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
fixed, cheers!
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Kodoichi on November 20, 2017, 09:11:31 AM
I have a file here that says:
Bionic_Commando+.TSM.d64

Tosec says it's:
Bionic Commando - US Version (1988)(Capcom)[cr Hell Hacker].d64

I wondered what "TSM" might be and turns out Hell Hacker is/was a member/founder of "The Shaolin Monastery" and other groups:
http://csdb.dk/scener/?id=1014
http://csdb.dk/release/?id=78105

Did he actually release that trained game on his own without credits to a group?
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Kodoichi on February 12, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
Ole' (1985)(Firebird)

The correct name for this one would be Olé, but if I look at Amiga dats, all non-English characters have been simplified or omitted. So shouldn't this one be "Ole", as the apostrophe after the e looks out of place?
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on February 13, 2018, 04:40:15 PM
Ole' (1985)(Firebird)

The correct name for this one would be Olé, but if I look at Amiga dats, all non-English characters have been simplified or omitted. So shouldn't this one be "Ole", as the apostrophe after the e looks out of place?


Cheers, Fixed!
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: yori yoshizuki on May 21, 2018, 01:53:42 PM

Sorry to use this old and unrelated thread.

Commodore 64 Games [D64]

Mord an Bord (1986)(Ariolasoft)(de)(Side B).d64

Mord an Bord (1986)(Ariolasoft)(de)(Side B)[a].d64

Mord an Bord (1986)(Ariolasoft)(de)(Side B)[a2].d64

TE2.PRG is bad on each file, so those 3 disks need redumping.
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on May 21, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
Thanks Yori
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Kodoichi on July 29, 2018, 06:38:17 PM
Games - T64:

Ant Attack (1984)(Argus Press - Quciksilva)[a2]
= Ant Attack (1984)(Argus Press - Quicksilva)[a2]
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Kodoichi on August 13, 2018, 07:03:32 PM
Some games had the [cr] flag removed (see Romcenter screenshot at the bottom). Even if they're actually not cracked, shouldn't they still get a [h] flag as the files and title screens were intentionally modified?
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on August 13, 2018, 07:33:47 PM
Games - T64:

Ant Attack (1984)(Argus Press - Quciksilva)[a2]
= Ant Attack (1984)(Argus Press - Quicksilva)[a2]

fixed, cheers
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on August 13, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
Some games had the [cr] flag removed (see Romcenter screenshot at the bottom). Even if they're actually not cracked, shouldn't they still get a [h] flag as the files and title screens were intentionally modified?

indeed, good find; will investigate and correct
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Thundard on October 17, 2018, 01:44:21 AM
Hello  :)

Wrong names:

Games - D64
Dneiper River Line (1984)(Avalon Hill)
= Dnieper River Line (1984)(Avalon Hill)

Games - D64
Humpty in the Garden (1984)(Artic Computing)
= Humpty Dumpty in the Garden (1984)(Artic Computing)

Games - D64, T64
Kris (1987)(The Edge Software)
= K.R.I.S. (1987)(The Edge Software)


Duplicates:

Games - D64, LNX, P00, T64
Eagle Empier (1984)(Alligata) (error)
Eagle Empire (1984)(Alligata)

Enlightenment - Druid 2 (1987)(Firebird)
Enlightenment - Druid II (1987)(Firebird)
Druid 2 - Enlightenment (1987)(Firebird)

Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Duncan Twain on October 17, 2018, 08:44:15 AM
Hi there,

Thanks for your help.
However, starting the game it say "Dneiper" instead of Dnieper, Same as Humpty instead of Humpty Dumpty.

Could you please be more specific?
I can't find the mentioned duplicates.
Eagle Emprire is fixed, same as Druid II.

DuncanTwain..

Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Thundard on October 17, 2018, 08:24:36 PM
For "Dnieper River Line", I think this is a mistake in the cracktro. Here is the cover of the game.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTA5NzU0M2QtMjI4Mi00MDM3LTk4ZTctNDUyZTdlYmU0ZjQ0XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNzg5OTk2OA@@._V1_UY268_CR6,0,182,268_AL_.jpg)

For "Humpty in the Garden", it says "Dumpty" nowhere in the game (same on ZX Spetrum). Except, on the cover.
(https://www.lemon64.com/covers/full/h/humpty_dumpty_in_the_garden.jpg)
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Maddog on October 17, 2018, 08:41:44 PM
It was always my opinion that what is in the front cover of the game takes priority versus title screen, spine or anything else. I have discussed it with other members of TOSEC in the past, but we didn't come up with a standard after all.
So, this is not a standard rule for TOSEC (TNC does not define what takes priority when naming) and there are renamers that go by the title screen, which happens even more in the rarer systems where it is rather hard to find original covers.

For the specific issues mentioned, I would go with the correct "Dnieper" for that one.
For the other one, when even the company that created it isn't sure WTF it wants the name of the game to be, the renamer is allowed to use what he prefers...

PS: thanks for the feedback, we always appreciate it when people come and tell us their opinion on our work!
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Thundard on October 17, 2018, 09:13:42 PM
With pleasure ;)
I am working on the archiving of C64 covers (best quality) renowned in the TOSEC way. I find some mistakes and duplicates. I will post my finds here ;)

****

Similar roms
P.H.M. Pegasus (1987)(Electronic Arts)
=
PHM Pegasus (1987)(Electronic Arts-Lucasfilms)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][a2][Docs].d64
=
Vera Cruz (19xx)(-)[cr Yeti][a2].d64
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][a][Docs].d64
=
Vera Cruz (19xx)(-)[cr Yeti][a].d64
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][Docs].d64
=
L'affaire Vera Cruz - Docs (19xx)(-).d64
&
Vera Cruz (19xx)(-)[cr Yeti].d64
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][Docs].t64
=
L'affaire Vera Cruz - Docs (19xx)(-).t64

*****
Wrong names:

Games - D64

Lifeterm (1987)(Alternative)
= Life-term (1987)(Alternative)

Mindroll (1988)(Epyx)
= ingame = MindRoll (1988)(Epyx)
= on cover = Mind-Roll (1988)(Epyx)

Oil Imperium (1994)(reLine Software)
=Oil Imperium (1989)(reLine Software)

Power (1987)(Avantage)
=Power, The (1987)(Avantage)

Games - D64 & T64

Pepsi Cahllenge, The (19xx)
=Pepsi Challenge, The (19xx)

*****
It's a complicated debate ^^

(https://i.imgur.com/Hzt0Adj.png)
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: NLS on October 18, 2018, 10:53:12 AM
For what it's worth, "Dnieper" is the correct name for that river in English. :)

Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Maddog on October 18, 2018, 08:38:32 PM
@NLS: For renaming/archiving purposes we don't go by what is grammatically "correct".
We go by what the creators of the software used, as long as it is consistent. We never correct them, even when they are obviously wrong. I think there are a couple of cases where names are grammatically "wrong" but the error actually exists on the real thing and the filename reflects this. Sadly can't remember specific cases right now.

So, if "Dneiper" was consistently used on this game, we would stick with it even though it is an obvious error. But it isn't consistently used so when faced with a choice between something grammatically correct and existing in the front cover and something grammatically wrong and existing in the title screen, I personally choose the first option.
Title: Re: Some C64 renames
Post by: Cassiel on April 05, 2019, 11:55:46 AM
It was always my opinion that what is in the front cover of the game takes priority versus title screen, spine or anything else. I have discussed it with other members of TOSEC in the past, but we didn't come up with a standard after all.
So, this is not a standard rule for TOSEC (TNC does not define what takes priority when naming) and there are renamers that go by the title screen, which happens even more in the rarer systems where it is rather hard to find original covers.

Well my feelings on the matter were always title screen should take precedence.

Two Reasons:
1) It's not that unusual for a (CRC32/MD5 unique image) to be named x on title screen, but with slight variations on region specific packaging. Seen this before with games on the console side. So which is the 'correct' title?
2) It mirrors the standard title cataloging convention of other large projects, such as IMDb.

Obviously, Common Sense(tm) will always trump all...  :)