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Offline Aral

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 09:41:04 AM »
TBH Kodoichi if the USER MANUAL or USER GUIDE or INSTRUCTION MANUAL says the name of the game is Smash why would i give a shit what the options screen says.  As others have said before me if the manual / disk / box / HOL all refer to this games as Smash thats how it will be named in the next Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF] dat.  IMO there is no need to discuss this point further.

As for your point about the date 1989-02-21 which game do you refer to?  I cant find any reference to this in any of your earlier posts.

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2010, 11:02:21 AM »
As for your point about the date 1989-02-21 which game do you refer to?  I cant find any reference to this in any of your earlier posts.
There is none, it was just an example going by your logic of favouring a box print instead of ingame infos:
Being realistic if there is a boxscan / diskscan / manual available for the games they have to be the first point of call when it comes to renaming a game.

------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------[snip]------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------

Does the promo flag stand for games advertizing something? If so:
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW).adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[promo].adf
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW)[a].adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[a][promo].adf
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW)[a2].adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[a2][promo].adf
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW)[v Lamer Exterminator 2][o ].adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[v Lamer Exterminator 2][o ][promo].adf

Manhunter - New York v1.06 (1989-03-18)(Sierra)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][h Tristar - A-Ha][b startup-sequence].adf
= Manhunter - New York v1.06 (1989-03-18)(Sierra)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][h Tristar - A-Ha][b ].adf
(Loading it through Workbench on an A500 config doesn't work either: "Software error - task held, Select cancel...")

Dragon's Lair (1989)(ReadySoft)(Disk 1 of 8 )[cr ACU][t +2 ACU][a2].adf
(Add some config info maybe? Common A500 doesn't work)

Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)[h Bad Karma].adf
= Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)(AGA)[h Bad Karma].adf
Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)[h Bad Karma][WB].adf
= Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)[h Bad Karma][WB][b ].adf

Powerstyx (1988)(DigiTek)(US)[cr Trilogy][t +1 Trilogy][b checksum error].adf
= Powerstyx v0.9 (demo-playable) (1988)(DigiTek)(US)[cr Trilogy][t +1 Trilogy].adf
(Tested till level one, didn't find any error with an A500 config. Not sure about the demo version number, it just states that in the highscore list)

Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][b checksum error].adf
= Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][b gfx].adf
Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][b2 checksum error].adf
= Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][b2 gfx].adf
Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][b4 checksum error].adf
= Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][b4 gfx].adf
Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][t +2 Trilogy][b checksum error].adf
= Strider (1989)(U.S. Gold)[cr VF][t +2 Trilogy][b2 gfx].adf
(tested with the trainer version, works from start to end with some graphic glitches, guess the other versions are the same)

Safari Guns (1989)(Infogrames)(FR)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr SGT].adf
= Safari Guns (1989)(Infogrames)(FR)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr SGT][b cracktro].adf
(Is it supposed to have white noise to destroy our ears? >_<)
« Last Edit: January 22, 2010, 12:49:06 PM by Kodoichi »

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2010, 12:59:43 PM »

Does the promo flag stand for games advertizing something? If so:
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW).adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[promo].adf
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW)[a].adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[a][promo].adf
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW)[a2].adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[a2][promo].adf
Energie-Manager (1993)(Rauser)(De)(FW)[v Lamer Exterminator 2][o ].adf
= Energie-Manager (1993)(BMWi)(De)(FW)[v Lamer Exterminator 2][o ][promo].adf
Thanks, i will add [more info] flag.
Manhunter - New York v1.06 (1989-03-18)(Sierra)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][h Tristar - A-Ha][b startup-sequence].adf
= Manhunter - New York v1.06 (1989-03-18)(Sierra)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][h Tristar - A-Ha][b ].adf
(Loading it through Workbench on an A500 config doesn't work either: "Software error - task held, Select cancel...")
Please check it closer, the "startup-sequence" is bad, so the game dont start, if you would modify, then you would get a working set.

Dragon's Lair (1989)(ReadySoft)(Disk 1 of 8 )[cr ACU][t +2 ACU][a2].adf
(Add some config info maybe? Common A500 doesn't work)
I will check later.
Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)[h Bad Karma].adf
= Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)(AGA)[h Bad Karma].adf
Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)[h Bad Karma][WB].adf
= Leading Lap (1995)(Black Legend)[h Bad Karma][WB][b ].adf
I was aware of this and its done in last dat.(not released until now)
Powerstyx (1988)(DigiTek)(US)[cr Trilogy][t +1 Trilogy][b checksum error].adf
= Powerstyx v0.9 (demo-playable) (1988)(DigiTek)(US)[cr Trilogy][t +1 Trilogy].adf
(Tested till level one, didn't find any error with an A500 config. Not sure about the demo version number, it just states that in the highscore list)
Thanks, i will check , if it is really a demo, but the bad flag will remain.

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2010, 01:34:52 PM »
When does a disk get a checksum flag anyway? I thought that's only when it says to "use the Disk doctor to correct it", but most games flagged that way seem to work.

Fighter Bomber - Advanced Mission Disk (1991)(Activision)[cr Angels][One disk Version].adf
= Fighter Bomber - Advanced Mission Disk (1991)(Activision)[cr Angels][one disk version].adf

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2010, 03:48:06 PM »
Hi Kodoichi, thanks for your reports :)
If you're talking about [ b ] flag, imo and like the name implies it is used to mark bad dump sets, that have some errors and so are different than it was originally. There is a descriptor as you know to input a little more detail about it.

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2010, 04:39:58 PM »
No, I mean the specific "[b checksum error]". I thought that's for completely unplayable games/nonworking disks, or isn't it?

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2010, 04:55:41 PM »
Well descriptors are not all well explained and their meaning in some cases vary between systems or is subjective. IMO the crc/checksum error is used when roms have been wrongly dumped and the checksum is different to the original, confirmed when a proper dump is done (like in mame, roms get redumped or marked as bad dumps i guess).
Of course there are other views of it, from your last answer i suppose there is some Disk tool for Amiga that checks for disk images consistence and warns about errors, in that case i suspect sets also end up marked with checksum error, right?

That's just what i know/think, i'm sure there are a bunch of sets around all our dats with wrong info, not just in bad dump descriptors :)

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2010, 06:23:17 PM »
As some of you guys know, i check every single disk and i also perform a file and virus test, if the disk is in DOS format.
So, if my tool reports a checksum error, the disk get the [bad] flag with descriptor "checksum error".
There are also some rare cases, where i did not add the [b checksum error] flag, althought the tool reports one or more.(difficult to explain)
OK, i always try to use general usages of descriptors to prevent having thousands descriptors for one and the same thing.
The "checksum error" descriptor is the actual error on disk, which causes different results.
So, if a set has got [b checksum error] flag, then this means you can expect, that this set does not properly work.
Some games really dont like such errors and you get message " disk has a read/write error", others games crashes without message, next game displays corrupt picture and so on.
Generally i can say, that i use the actual error as descriptor and not the result of this.
In the past i have used the following [bad] descriptors for DOS disks.
-checksum error = one or more files on disk have mentioned error
-bootblock = the bootblock is bad, prevents the disk to run
-startup-sequence = if something is wrong with the startup-sequence (see previous post)

Now i hope, you understand my point of view.

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Re: No Tosec, u r rong (Amiga games)
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2010, 12:25:23 PM »
3D Construction Kit
Adventure Construction Set
Wargame Construction Set
...

Why have construction kits been moved to the games dat? They're primary applications to create games, not actual playable games (even if they might come with examples).

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Wrongly named Amiga demos, intros & shit
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2010, 01:04:09 PM »
Plastic Passion (19xx)(Uperone).adf
= Plastic Passion (19xx)(Upfront).adf

Revenge (19xx)(-).adf
= Revenge (19xx)(Fraxion).adf

Breathing Vectors (1991)(Doctor Bob)[m Warlocks].adf
= Breathing Vectors (1991-01)(Zero Defects)[m Warlocks].adf

Colors (1991)(Darkness)[a].adf
= Colors (1991)(Devils)[a].adf

Internal Exile (1993)(Perseus).adf
= Internal Exile (1993)(Infocorner).adf
(Not sure if this Perseus guy published the demo on its own or credited only himself instead of his group)

Reflex (19xx)(Reflex).adf
= Reflex (1992-09)(Liquid).adf

242 (1992)(Virtual Dreams)[A93#2].adf
= 242 (1992-06)(Fairlight - Virtual Dreams)[A93#2].adf
(What's up with the Elfmania cracking text?)
« Last Edit: March 14, 2010, 01:11:51 PM by Kodoichi »

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Other wrongly named Amigaga lala
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2010, 01:21:48 PM »
In Compilations - Various:

New Productions (1990)(Elite Inc).adf
= New Productions (1990-05-24)(Elite Inc.).adf
(Not sure if the full stop after "Inc" is missing due to TNC)

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Re: Other wrongly named Amigaga lala
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2010, 01:32:12 PM »
In Diskmags:

Fourth Dimension - Issue 4 (1990-10-10)(Cryptoburners)[a2].adf
= Fourth Dimension - Issue 4 (1990-10-10)(Cryptoburners)[m Warlocks][b intro only].adf

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Re: Other wrongly named Amigaga lala
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 01:56:33 PM »
thanks for those contributions, keep them coming :P

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Re: Amiga renaming suggestions
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2010, 03:49:19 PM »
merged these as there's no real need for 3 topics

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Re: Amiga renaming suggestions
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 05:14:37 PM »
merged these as there's no real need for 3 topics
Then merge "Amiga groups related" and "Amiga publisher related" as well  >:(