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Offline Thundard

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Re: Some C64 renames
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2018, 01:44:21 AM »
Hello  :)

Wrong names:

Games - D64
Dneiper River Line (1984)(Avalon Hill)
= Dnieper River Line (1984)(Avalon Hill)

Games - D64
Humpty in the Garden (1984)(Artic Computing)
= Humpty Dumpty in the Garden (1984)(Artic Computing)

Games - D64, T64
Kris (1987)(The Edge Software)
= K.R.I.S. (1987)(The Edge Software)


Duplicates:

Games - D64, LNX, P00, T64
Eagle Empier (1984)(Alligata) (error)
Eagle Empire (1984)(Alligata)

Enlightenment - Druid 2 (1987)(Firebird)
Enlightenment - Druid II (1987)(Firebird)
Druid 2 - Enlightenment (1987)(Firebird)

« Last Edit: October 17, 2018, 06:55:23 AM by Thundard »

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Re: Some C64 renames
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2018, 08:44:15 AM »
Hi there,

Thanks for your help.
However, starting the game it say "Dneiper" instead of Dnieper, Same as Humpty instead of Humpty Dumpty.

Could you please be more specific?
I can't find the mentioned duplicates.
Eagle Emprire is fixed, same as Druid II.

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Re: Some C64 renames
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2018, 08:24:36 PM »
For "Dnieper River Line", I think this is a mistake in the cracktro. Here is the cover of the game.


For "Humpty in the Garden", it says "Dumpty" nowhere in the game (same on ZX Spetrum). Except, on the cover.

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Re: Some C64 renames
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2018, 08:41:44 PM »
It was always my opinion that what is in the front cover of the game takes priority versus title screen, spine or anything else. I have discussed it with other members of TOSEC in the past, but we didn't come up with a standard after all.
So, this is not a standard rule for TOSEC (TNC does not define what takes priority when naming) and there are renamers that go by the title screen, which happens even more in the rarer systems where it is rather hard to find original covers.

For the specific issues mentioned, I would go with the correct "Dnieper" for that one.
For the other one, when even the company that created it isn't sure WTF it wants the name of the game to be, the renamer is allowed to use what he prefers...

PS: thanks for the feedback, we always appreciate it when people come and tell us their opinion on our work!

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Re: Some C64 renames
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2018, 09:13:42 PM »
With pleasure ;)
I am working on the archiving of C64 covers (best quality) renowned in the TOSEC way. I find some mistakes and duplicates. I will post my finds here ;)

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Similar roms
P.H.M. Pegasus (1987)(Electronic Arts)
=
PHM Pegasus (1987)(Electronic Arts-Lucasfilms)
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Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][a2][Docs].d64
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Vera Cruz (19xx)(-)[cr Yeti][a2].d64
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Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][a][Docs].d64
=
Vera Cruz (19xx)(-)[cr Yeti][a].d64
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Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][Docs].d64
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L'affaire Vera Cruz - Docs (19xx)(-).d64
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Vera Cruz (19xx)(-)[cr Yeti].d64
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Affaire Vera Cruz, L' (1987)(Infogrames)[cr Yeti][Docs].t64
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L'affaire Vera Cruz - Docs (19xx)(-).t64

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Wrong names:

Games - D64

Lifeterm (1987)(Alternative)
= Life-term (1987)(Alternative)

Mindroll (1988)(Epyx)
= ingame = MindRoll (1988)(Epyx)
= on cover = Mind-Roll (1988)(Epyx)

Oil Imperium (1994)(reLine Software)
=Oil Imperium (1989)(reLine Software)

Power (1987)(Avantage)
=Power, The (1987)(Avantage)

Games - D64 & T64

Pepsi Cahllenge, The (19xx)
=Pepsi Challenge, The (19xx)

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It's a complicated debate ^^

« Last Edit: October 18, 2018, 12:53:50 AM by Thundard »

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Re: Some C64 renames
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2018, 10:53:12 AM »
For what it's worth, "Dnieper" is the correct name for that river in English. :)

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Re: Some C64 renames
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2018, 08:38:32 PM »
@NLS: For renaming/archiving purposes we don't go by what is grammatically "correct".
We go by what the creators of the software used, as long as it is consistent. We never correct them, even when they are obviously wrong. I think there are a couple of cases where names are grammatically "wrong" but the error actually exists on the real thing and the filename reflects this. Sadly can't remember specific cases right now.

So, if "Dneiper" was consistently used on this game, we would stick with it even though it is an obvious error. But it isn't consistently used so when faced with a choice between something grammatically correct and existing in the front cover and something grammatically wrong and existing in the title screen, I personally choose the first option.