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Title: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 06, 2009, 10:25:41 AM
@Pandmonium:
According your database there is a problem with the group "The Black Dragons", "Black Dragons Inc." and their abbreviation "TBD".
So far i have checked all sets in Amiga games dat, there are both full names, but i was not able to find th "TBD" abbreviation.
Can you please check, if there are sets in other Amiga dats and post here, please.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 06, 2009, 01:59:28 PM
hi mai
TKaos didn't tell you how to see that ? :P
There are 10 sets using the TBD and it is valid already, i just didn't know which was their name but it seems both are valid, the abbreviation can be seen in a mouse pointer in GOD Compact Disk (1991)(Global Over Dose)[m TBD]   / Commodore Amiga - Compilations - Games i think, weren't you the one who found it out? :P
The other TBD abbreviation is found in 5 C64 sets but i don't know what they are, possibly the same group?
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 06, 2009, 03:43:17 PM
Ok, then there is no need for me to check it closer, thanks.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 18, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
"Paranoid" used in
Oil Imperium v1.0 (1989)(reLINE)(De)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Paranoid]
Oil Imperium v1.0 (1989)(reLINE)(De)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Paranoid]
Oil Imperium v1.0 (1989)(reLINE)(De)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr Paranoid][a]
is int true
"Paranois"

screenshot:
(there is also a file called "Paranois" on disk)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 18, 2009, 07:39:44 PM
thanks, what about the other sets using it as publisher?
(Atari needs to be checked later)

Commodore Amiga - Demos - Music:
Master Hits 1 (19xx)(Paranoid)
Master Hits 1 (19xx)(Paranoid)[a2]
Master Hits 1 (19xx)(Paranoid)[a]
Music for the Masses (19xx)(Paranoid)

Commodore Amiga - Demos - Packs:
Links Demo-Box 1 (19xx)(Paranoid)
Paranoid Demo Competition 3 (19xx)(Paranoid)

Commodore Amiga - Demos - Various - [ADF]:
Full Power (1991)(Paranoid)
Tekkno for You (1992)(Paranoid)

Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]:
Alienoid (demo-playable) (1992)(Paranoid)[cr Bast]
Ant Wars v1.1 (1994)(Paranoid)(PD)(Disk 1 of 2)[1Mb Chip RAM, AMOS]
Ant Wars v1.1 (1994)(Paranoid)(PD)(Disk 2 of 2)[AMOS]
Ant Wars v1.9 (1994)(Paranoid)(PD)[1Mb Chip RAM, AMOS]
Ant Wars v1.9 (1994)(Paranoid)(PD)[a][1Mb Chip RAM, AMOS]
Orbit (1994)(Paranoid)
Orbit (1994)(Paranoid)[a]

btw, have you and TKaos talked about maintaining Amiga dats? :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 18, 2009, 08:10:44 PM
Ok, all sets from Demos are really by a group called "Paranoid", its/was a group from Germany, it seems abbreviation is "PAD".
All sets from Amiga/Games/PD are by a different group/publisher/Developer called also "Paranoid" from Ireland.
Screenshots:(group from Germany).
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 18, 2009, 08:45:25 PM
Yes, we have talked about this subject, but no decision until now, because
somewhere i have read - probably in this forum - that there was a message traffic between "[IDORU]" and "BippyM" and i dont know the result.
And of course, i would like to maintaining Amiga dats, especially Amiga/Games/ADF,
You know by yourself, the number of Amiga sets are very high, to manage/check all this files is a job, which would take a lot of years, usually
not a job for only one man.
I have also told to "TKaos", to finish checking all sets from Amiga/Games/ADF would last until the middle of next year.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 18, 2009, 09:01:19 PM
Nice findings, so we have more groups with similar names or even a publisher/developer :P
About the last post, we aren't here to race so the time is not a problem, we just want to have some work going, he talked with bippy, you can read it here somewhere i think.
Title: Re: Bloodsuckers
Post by: mai on September 20, 2009, 06:32:33 PM
BS = Bloodsuckers
BS is used once until now in:
Omni-Play Horse Racing - Track Editor (1989)(SportTime)[cr BS][b errdms][data disk]
so its valid.

screenshot:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 20, 2009, 07:34:14 PM
ok, added all that info.
Bloodsuckers is used as publisher in some amiga demos and also 2 sets from c64, like you said BS is used once in Amiga and a bit in spectrum but i think its not the same groups, have no idea of what it means in spectrum or if it is just the full name for some group / scener and not his abbreviation.
Anyway thanks for the info :P
Title: Re:ING is invalid
Post by: mai on September 26, 2009, 11:39:21 AM
"ING" used in:
Operation Cleanstreet (1988)(Broderbund)[cr ING - WOW]
Operation Cleanstreet (1988)(Broderbund)[cr ING - WOW][a]
is invalid.
The real abbreviation used in the cracktro is "TNG" = "The Next Generation"
You can not see the real full name in the cracktro itself, but on the disk you can read "TNG" = "The Next Generation", so its a proof.
screenshot:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 26, 2009, 01:13:40 PM
thanks mai, will update that later when my computer gets back online :P
Title: Re: Phil
Post by: mai on September 26, 2009, 09:15:17 PM
"Phil" used in
Operation Spruance (1990)(Parse)[cr Phil]
was a member of the group "Defjam"
In this case it was a crack under the "ACC - Defjam - CCS" label.
Title: Re: Strike Force
Post by: mai on September 27, 2009, 08:34:10 AM
"Strike Force" = "TSF"
Screenshots taken from:
Operation Stealth (1990)(Delphine)(Fr)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr Strike Force]
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 27, 2009, 01:10:07 PM
ok, i get back home today and will input that information, do you plan in using this abbreviation or is just for reference?
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 27, 2009, 04:36:26 PM
ok, i get back home today and will input that information, do you plan in using this abbreviation or is just for reference?

The abbreviation seems to be valid, its not used by a different group, so i will use this abbrviation instead of full name.
I know, you have a lot to do TOSEC related, but it would be nice, if TOSEC groups database would be up to date, for comparing purpose.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 27, 2009, 04:40:41 PM
lol it should (almost) always be, the problem is that i can update it because my sister shutted down my desktop and i will only be back in 2 or 3 hours, after that all Amiga groups/publishers will be updated :)
Title: Re: Spreadpoint
Post by: mai on September 27, 2009, 08:49:41 PM
"Spreadpoint" = "SP"
Screenshot taken from:
Oscar CD32 (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Spreadpoint][CD32 rip]

I know, its not a good proof, because its not a big, fat logo, but its more than likely the right abbreviation.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 27, 2009, 08:59:36 PM
"ING" used in:
Operation Cleanstreet (1988)(Broderbund)[cr ING - WOW]
Operation Cleanstreet (1988)(Broderbund)[cr ING - WOW][a]
is invalid.
The real abbreviation used in the cracktro is "TNG" = "The Next Generation"
You can not see the real full name in the cracktro itself, but on the disk you can read "TNG" = "The Next Generation", so its a proof.
screenshot:
About this one, there are 2 sets using "TNG" correctly i guess, there is also one Amiga set using "Next Generation" and it is probably the same group, don't you think it should be fixed to "The Next Generation" or "TNG"? In Atari ST there is also a reference to Next Generation but we don't know much for now and it is possibly a different publisher/group/...


"Strike Force" = "TSF"
Screenshots taken from:
Operation Stealth (1990)(Delphine)(Fr)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr Strike Force]
About this one, there is / was a group called Strike Force in C64 that supposely used SF abbreviation ( http://noname.c64.org/csdb/group/?id=670 ), in Amiga afaik SF was used for a group called Star Frontiers right? So the C64 group wasn't the same one you described here for Amiga, can i assume this? :P

There are probably some errors with these cases, Star Frontiers seem to be present in C64 and Amiga but i don't have any idea of what SF is being used for each, i suspect SF in Amiga dats is Star Frontiers but in C64 i really don't know :x

"Spreadpoint" = "SP"
Screenshot taken from:
Oscar CD32 (1993)(Flair)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Spreadpoint][CD32 rip]

I know, its not a good proof, because its not a big, fat logo, but its more than likely the right abbreviation.
thanks :)
also:
(https://www.tosecdev.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpanda.pt-server.com%2Ftosec_old%2Fnew_stuff%2Fgroups%2FSpreadpoint_001.png&hash=6b8179a066b3fea1c4e91237b5f90a51)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 27, 2009, 09:34:02 PM

About this one, there are 2 sets using "TNG" correctly i guess, there is also one Amiga set using "Next Generation" and it is probably the same group, don't you think it should be fixed to "The Next Generation" or "TNG"?


Gee Bee Air Rally (1987)(Activision)[cr HTL - Next Generation]
is probably the same, more than likely, on disk you can find a file called "TNG", the years 87, 88, 88 are suitable.
Title: Re: PDS
Post by: mai on September 29, 2009, 06:22:42 PM
"PDS" used once in
Over the Net (1990)(Genias)(NTSC)[cr PDS]
is invalid.
The real abbreviation should be "PRD" = "Paradise".
Screenshot:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 29, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
thanks, added :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 11, 2009, 04:03:40 PM
BTB = Born to Booze
Screenshot taken from:
Pool of Radiance v1.0 (1990)(U.S. Gold)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr BTB]

@PandMonium:
Is the URL
http://panda.pt-server.com/amiga/tosecamigagroups.htm
outdated?
Updated: 2009-07-06 17:51
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on October 11, 2009, 06:50:27 PM
Hi mai,
thanks image added.

Yes it is outdated, i didn't know someone was still using that :P
Anyway it is updated now and i will send you a pm with some more details :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 25, 2009, 02:36:20 PM
ISO = The International Spreading Organization

Home country is Germany

....used once in
Tracers (1991)(MicroIllusions)[cr ISO]

Screenshot:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 25, 2009, 02:43:16 PM
TSB = The Special Brothers

Home country seems to be Luxemburg.

..this is a known abbreviation,
and here is the proof, so its valid.

Screenshot taken from:
Sword and the Rose, The (1990)(Codemasters)[cr Angels][t +2 TSB]
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 25, 2009, 02:56:20 PM
TAA
used once in:
Strip Poker II+ (1988)(Anco)[cr TAA]
is not correct.

TAA 4750 = The Avenging Angels 4750

Screenshots:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 25, 2009, 03:01:01 PM
SKL = Skyline

Home country is Germany.

Screenshot taken from:
Raster Bike (1988)(EAS)[cr Skyline]


@PandMonium: Thanks for the efforts, creating the amazing database.
Now i always know, which proofs are needed. :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on October 25, 2009, 11:48:05 PM
hey, thanks for the new pics/info :D

have just 2 questions for you:
TAA
TAA 4750 = The Avenging Angels 4750
For TAA there is also a set named:
"TAA 87 (1987)(TAA)"
in datfile: "Commodore Amiga - Demos - Animations and Videos"

Since it is a demo it should be by a scene group, do you know if this is the same group (and so publisher field should also be fixed?) or a new group?


SKL = Skyline
Here i will just make a reference to 2 other sets that are also using Skyline but in publisher field, one is from c64 docs datfile so i suppose it is a different 'something', the other is "Squamble (19xx)(Skyline)[t +4 LGD]" from "Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]", which i have no idea if it is the same group, other or something else (publisher, blabla).
Also SKL isn't used anywhere for Amiga sets, if you plan to use it for this group please let me know :)

Thanks for the efforts, creating the amazing database.
Now i always know, which proofs are needed. :)
well, thanks :)
but i have really A LOT more to (re)do, hope it can serve us to fix a lot of errors but it is only valuable with your and others help :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: idoru on October 26, 2009, 02:13:40 PM
hmm, can anyone see mai's screenshots ?  the only one showing fore me is in pandmonium's post #18.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: TKaos on October 26, 2009, 02:23:40 PM
Same here idoru, PandMonium can see them all and we can't, poor forum software? :D
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on October 26, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
well, just test it again aind it will work, sorry i was keeping them only to me :p
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 26, 2009, 04:31:25 PM
For TAA there is also a set named:
"TAA 87 (1987)(TAA)"
in datfile: "Commodore Amiga - Demos - Animations and Videos"

Since it is a demo it should be by a scene group, do you know if this is the same group (and so publisher field should also be fixed?) or a new group?

Sorry, cant find this set for checking.


Here i will just make a reference to 2 other sets that are also using Skyline but in publisher field, one is from c64 docs datfile so i suppose it is a different 'something', the other is "Squamble (19xx)(Skyline)[t +4 LGD]" from "Commodore Amiga - Games - Public Domain - [ADF]", which i have no idea if it is the same group, other or something else (publisher, blabla).
Also SKL isn't used anywhere for Amiga sets, if you plan to use it for this group please let me know :)

Seems to be a different.
Full name: Skyline Software
Screenshot:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on October 26, 2009, 05:05:17 PM
humm so it needs to be fixed to Skyline Software right? Skyline Software = publisher/developer
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 26, 2009, 05:14:05 PM
humm so it needs to be fixed to Skyline Software right? Skyline Software = publisher/developer

Yes it seems, also it seems a proof, that all sets by the scene group "Skyline" are before the year 1990 and the production by "Skyline Software" is from 1992, so its more than likely different.

by the way, i will use "SKL"  abbreviation for "Skyline"  (group).
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on October 26, 2009, 07:47:01 PM
there is also a Skyline Software publisher with 2 sets from amstrad cpc games (from 85 and 86), any idea if it is the same publisher? :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: idoru on October 27, 2009, 07:25:31 AM
well, just test it again aind it will work, sorry i was keeping them only to me :p

greedy :P  i can see them now ;)

btw, thnx mai ;)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 27, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
"TSP" used in
Vision - The 5 Dimension Utopia (1992)(Rainbow Arts)(DE)(Disk 1 of 7)[cr TSP][FD-HD]
is invalid.
It should be "TSB" = "The Special Brothers" (known and valid).
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 30, 2009, 05:38:58 PM
UNL = Unlimited

Home country = Germany

This is a known/valid abbreviation, but picture is missing in the database.
here you have one.
Screenshots taken from:
Winter Supersports 92 (1992)(Flair)[cr UNL]
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on October 30, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
thanks, was missing the country and the 2nd pic :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on October 31, 2009, 10:39:21 PM
TFS = The Fire Starters

This is a known/valid abbreviation, but you need picture and info for the database.

Home country = Australia
The group was mainly a spreading group.

Screenshot taken from:
Jack Nicklaus' Greatest 18 Holes of Major Championship Golf (1989)(Accolade)[cr VF][h TCC - TFS]
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on November 01, 2009, 09:43:20 AM
Bencor Bros, Bencor Brothers, BB

is all the same group.
For your information, i will use "Bencor Brothers", because i have not seen "BB" in any set until now.
I have changed "Bencor Bros" to "Bencor Brothers" to prevent confusing. :)

About "BB":
"BB" is used 4 times in Amiga games dat.
Battle Chess II - Chinese Chess (1992)(Interplay)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr SR][h BB - Fantasy]
Battle Chess II - Chinese Chess (1992)(Interplay)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr SR][h BB - Fantasy]
This two sets "BB"  stands for "Black Bastard", also here "BB" is not valid until now.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on November 02, 2009, 03:29:00 PM
Ok, thanks for that.
Bencor Bros is used a lot more times so you need to fix them all :)
About the BB, for me it is ok to not use it if there is no proof, maybe in EAB someone can help you out with it?
In c64 there are some groups using BB too (even according to csdb). I guess Bencor Brothers between Amiga and c64 is the same and c64 uses the abbreviation a lot of BB, so it needs to be checked later.

About Black Bastard, you need to fix it to the full name then, pics of both would be nice :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on November 02, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
Screenshots:
1 - Black Bastard
2 - Bencor Brothers
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on November 02, 2009, 04:43:01 PM
thanks mai,
do you know if Black Bastard is a guy (scener) or a scene group? by the name i guess it was a scener :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on November 03, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
thanks mai,
do you know if Black Bastard is a guy (scener) or a scene group? by the name i guess it was a scener :P

Because there is no further set, its difficult to know, but i would also say its a single person.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 02, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
Motley Crue used once in
Manhattan Dealers (1988)(Silmarils)(FR)[cr Motley Crue]
is in real
Motley Crue Team = MCT

Screenshots:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 02, 2009, 04:25:12 PM
shi*, only 2 attachments allowed. >:(
here is the missing screenshot with the abbreviation.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 02, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
THAOS
used in
Master Ninja - Shadow Warrior of Death (1989)(Paragon)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr THAOS][a]
is
The Hottest American Original Suppliers = THAOS

Screenshot:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 02, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
Hi mai,
shi*, only 2 attachments allowed. >:(
increased that to 5, sorry :P

thanks for your work, hope i can get the db back soon and something to help you out a bit, i've been busy lately :(
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 05, 2009, 06:42:38 PM
Sorry for the delay, finally i sort it all out :)

Motley Crue Team = MCT
Added, do you want to use the abbreviation?

THAOS
used in
Master Ninja - Shadow Warrior of Death (1989)(Paragon)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr THAOS][a]
is
The Hottest American Original Suppliers = THAOS
Ok, then in my opinion THAOS is not a scene group name but an abbreviation for that long name, right? Or THAOS is the name and the other part just like the 'full name'?

keep up the good work :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 06, 2009, 08:27:20 AM
Added, do you want to use the abbreviation?
Yes, if i report any abbreviation, then i will use it, expcept someone in this forum has a valid reason for not using the abbreviation.

Ok, then in my opinion THAOS is not a scene group name but an abbreviation for that long name, right? Or THAOS is the name and the other part just like the 'full name'?
Ok, seems to be the abbreviation for the long group name.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 06, 2009, 08:33:40 AM
scenegroup.php?id=6476
WOT
World of Twist
Screenshot for the database:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 07, 2009, 01:12:33 AM
thanks, things are back :)
WOT also appears in C64 sets (in one set at least it is a different group: Warriors of Time) but appear also in publisher field for some mags and i guess its not a group :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 07, 2009, 03:40:25 PM
Corrupt =COR

Screenshot taken from:
Laser Mania 2 (1995)(L.K. Avalon)(PL)[cr Corrupt][f]

Note: Scene releases by this group also starts with letters "COR".
for example:
COR-LAS.DMS

.....and of course i will use this abbreviation.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 07, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
done!
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 15, 2009, 02:34:07 PM
Defekt = DFT

Screenshot taken from:
Lionheart CD32 (1993)(Thalion)(Disk 1 of 4)[cr Defect][b missing game.exe][CD32 rip]

As you can see the group "Defect" is not valid for the Amiga ADF games dat, its Defekt = DFT.
It seems there was also a group called "Defect" in those days, but all sets in Amiga ADF games are by "Defekt = DFT".
I will use abbreviation "DFT" in next dat.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 15, 2009, 02:43:47 PM
Another screenshot for the database and a proof for the abbreviation, this time:

The Silents = TSL

Screenshot taken from:
Midnight Resistance (1990)(Ocean)[cr HZ - TSL][t HZ]
Title: Betrayal
Post by: mai on December 15, 2009, 02:46:13 PM
Betrayal = BTL
Screenshot taken from:
Metal Masters (1991)(Infogrames)[cr Defjam][h Betrayal]_001
I will use this abbreviation in future dats.
Title: The Foul Critters
Post by: mai on December 15, 2009, 02:52:32 PM
This time a new group, not used in any dat, but in future releases.

The Foul Critters = TFC

Screenshots taken from:(not yet in TOSEC)
MicroProse Formula One Grand Prix v1.02 (1992)(MicroProse)(M3)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CPY - VF][h TFC]
Title: Wubbysoft Incorporated
Post by: mai on December 15, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
Wubbysoft Incorporated =WSI

You have the abbreviation in the database, but full name is missing until now.
Screenshot taken from:
Nuclear War v1.0 (1990)(U.S. Gold)[cr PNA][h WSI]
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 15, 2009, 05:24:51 PM
Hi mai,
updated them all already :)

some comments:
It seems there was also a group called "Defect" in those days, but all sets in Amiga ADF games are by "Defekt = DFT".
Do you have any proof of this one anyway? Will it be present in newer dats (Defect)?

The Silents = TSL
So this is the same as c64 :) http://noname.c64.org/csdb/group/?id=1099

Betrayal = BTL
There is a c64 set related with Betrayal too but i suspect it's not this group (and possibly not any group because it seems like a mistake).

Wubbysoft Incorporated =WSI
You have the abbreviation in the database, but full name is missing until now.
The existent one is for some c64 sets so i suppose it is a different group: World Search Incorporated ( http://noname.c64.org/csdb/group/?id=2342 ), one of the 2 sets can be found there but in a different format (d64/t64).

Good work :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 15, 2009, 05:39:05 PM

Do you have any proof of this one anyway? Will it be present in newer dats (Defect)?

http://bitworld.bitfellas.org/demo.php?id=24896
Bitworld is a very good source.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 15, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
great, thanks for that.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 20, 2009, 11:45:28 AM
A picture for the database, this time its:

Swiss Cracking Association = SCA

Screenshot taken from:
Karate Kid Part II, The (1987)(Microdeal)[v SCA]
....its no virus, its a crack by "SCA"
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 20, 2009, 04:00:39 PM
hi mai,
added the image, humm that's strange, SCA is not a virus at all? It was used 16 times :S maybe someone at eab knows a bit more about it.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 20, 2009, 04:16:07 PM

added the image, humm that's strange, SCA is not a virus at all? It was used 16 times :S maybe someone at eab knows a bit more about it.
There is also a virus "SCA", more than likely created by the group "SCA".
As i wrote, the mentioned set is a crack by the group "SCA", my antivirus tool reports no virus.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on December 22, 2009, 02:35:39 PM
BCG used once in:
Kick Off (1989)(Anco)(M5)[cr BCG]
is
Bimbo Cracking Group = BCG
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on December 22, 2009, 05:03:30 PM
added, don't know if i should spam your topic always answering you to say the obvious but at least you know i keep checking your work :P
Title: some contributions
Post by: mai on January 07, 2010, 04:07:37 PM
I will add some pictures for the database.

1. (known)
The Punishers = PNS

2. (known)
Delirium = DLM

3. (NOT USED UNTIL NOW, BUT WILL BE IN NEXT DAT)
The Three Musketeers = TTMS
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: Diaboł on January 07, 2010, 06:00:38 PM
There is a demo called: Sorry! (1999)(Nova)(AGA). I saw it today and there is a screen saying: Have a great party and happy new year 1994. So I was just thinking if the date in the file name is correct.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on January 07, 2010, 10:30:50 PM
mai: added all, thanks.

Diabol: i'm not a renamer and didn't checked it myself but i think you're right ( http://bitworld.bitfellas.org/demo.php?id=23141 ), should be fixed indeed.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on January 12, 2010, 07:33:30 PM
Italian Bad Boys = IBB
Screenshots:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on January 12, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
added, going by the name i guess they are originally from Italy, right? :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on February 05, 2010, 07:20:48 PM
PWC = Pacific Waves Crew
HTJ = Hightech Junkies
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on February 05, 2010, 07:44:36 PM
added!
thanks mai and sorry for taking some time to get it back up :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on February 05, 2010, 08:11:15 PM

thanks mai and sorry for taking some time to get it back up :P
No reason to say "sorry", i know about the great job by you.
Where would be TOSEC project without your efforts?
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: Kodoichi on February 06, 2010, 09:53:39 AM
hi mai,
added the image, humm that's strange, SCA is not a virus at all? It was used 16 times :S maybe someone at eab knows a bit more about it.
http://sca.ch
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on February 08, 2010, 06:36:52 PM
Fraxion = FRX
its a known abbreviation, but picture for the database is misssing.

Home country is Norway.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on February 08, 2010, 08:40:00 PM
done :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on February 14, 2010, 10:11:50 PM
I have just discovered abbreviation BBP, unknown until now.

Name: Blitter Brothers
Full name: Blitter Brothers Production
Abbreviation: BBP
Country: Italy

.... so Blitter Brothers, Blitter Bros and BBP become
BBP
in future releases.

screenshot:
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on February 15, 2010, 01:55:06 AM
added, Blitter Bros is also used 2 times in publisher field (compilation games dat)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on February 15, 2010, 09:35:20 AM
The Data Division = TDD
Its a known abbreviation, but picture is missing until now.
It should be no problem to use this abbreviation for Amiga system. (C64 has also "TDD" abbreviation, but validated for a different group)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on June 01, 2010, 08:32:16 PM
A picture for the database, i suppose you have not a picture for this group in database until now.
I can suppose only, because i never get access to database lately.

Comax = CMX
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on June 01, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Sorry about that, hope i can get some free time and patience to fix that :(
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on June 06, 2010, 06:22:03 PM
Hey mai, just to let you know that this is a bit close to be back, for now i can give you some new lists and feed back :D

Code: [Select]
crack group - 2703 Group (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - ACV (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - AI (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - AIS (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Acid Guru (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Axenon (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Banana Joe Corporation (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Big Byte (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Bionomix (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - CRUZ (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Crackersoft 2000 (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Culprits (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Divide (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Ecstacy (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Feinbein Software (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Honky (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - IBB SWE (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - JVA (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - KCC (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - MLD (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - MSD (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - MXM (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Magic Friends (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Milkyway & Sick Messiahs (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Monkey Man (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Nova Acies (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Nova Production (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - PTL (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Panzerfaust (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Quake (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - RES 101 (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
Resolution 101 right? I have the abbreviation as RES only which is wrong i guess.
crack group - Revelation (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - SUP (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Shamen (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Spelljammers (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Supply Team (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - TVK (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Varso (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
crack group - Windowskiller (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])



Here there might be descriptors mixed with groups that i have not added yet (probably 68030, A4000, CPU, FD,
Code: [Select]
fix group - + NTSC Flashtro (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
this one is tricky, we dropped the "+" but this sepparates 2 fix descriptors, not sure if i should fix my part or say you to change it to "-" :P
fix group - 68030 (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - A4000 Caesar (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - Bytehunter (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - CPU Shelter (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - CW (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - Divide (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - FD TVK (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - Fix & Foxi (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - HMN and VTY (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - Megawatts (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - Nystic (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - Revenge UK (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
fix group - VTY (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])


Code: [Select]
hack group - 2Unlim!ted (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
I've it as "2 Unlim!ted"
hack group - 7up Crew (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
and this as "7Up Crew"
hack group - ACS International (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Amiga Gang (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Amiga Maniac (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Amigate (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Amilight (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Avatars (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Beavis (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Black Bastard (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Borrowed Time (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Breed (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Buzby (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - CBC (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Coolcat (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - D+C (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - DRC (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Data Laci (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Dodo (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - DonGues Soft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Donkeysoft MCC (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Down Under Boys (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Drifter (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Dune-Crew (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Dynax 2001 (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Eagle Software Center (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - FILA (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - FN04 (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Fantasoft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - GTS (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Guruwizards (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Hispania Soft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - IRATA (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Illusions (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Immortals (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Insight Computer Club (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Integra (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Jetset (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Jordan (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Keypunch Software (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Local Network (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Lords of Darkness (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - MBS (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - MXM (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
Maximum? Have it in form "MxM", which is right?
hack group - Master of Amiga (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Monotof (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - New Kid (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Night & Day (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Nightshade (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - PHV-Soft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - PLS (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - PMC Soft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Pilchards (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Pirates Heaven (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Power Boys (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Powersoft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - RCAP Ltd (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - RDS (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - ROSHI (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Radiatec (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Rollesoft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Rygar (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Stryder (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Sunny Boys Spreadings (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Supply Team (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Symbol (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - TUSB (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - TWZ (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Tasmania (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Turbo-Soft (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Zak & Jinx (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
hack group - Zippy (dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])


Do you spot any errors here? Many are already know groups, only the abreviations are unknown to me or are known but didn't expect them to be used.
It's a first step to get back on track ;D

edit: btw, is "Supply Team" really a virus?
Code: [Select]
unknown virus - Supply Team (set: Manhunter - New York v1.06 (1989-03-18)(Sierra)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][v Supply Team][b] / dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on June 09, 2010, 06:03:15 PM


edit: btw, is "Supply Team" really a virus?
Code: [Select]
unknown virus - Supply Team (set: Manhunter - New York v1.06 (1989-03-18)(Sierra)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr QTX][v Supply Team][b] / dat: Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF])

Yes, its a virus, its not any typo by me.
My AntiVirus tool reports this virus called "Supply Team".
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on June 09, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
I just asked because there was a group with that name ("The Supply Team (http://www.pouet.net/groups.php?which=4273)") plus i can't find info on that virus (http://ave.teyko.com/) so i thought it could have been a typo and instead of [v] it could be [f] or something similar :P
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: Symmo on July 02, 2010, 01:05:12 PM
I just asked because there was a group with that name ("The Supply Team (http://www.pouet.net/groups.php?which=4273)") plus i can't find info on that virus (http://ave.teyko.com/) so i thought it could have been a typo and instead of [v] it could be [f] or something similar :P

The Supply Team (Amiga now) under groups
http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/texts/imr/c115wizz.htm
just found they were a c64 group
also · Party report and some results from P.E.N.I.S #1 diskmagazine.

amdemo  1.  Dexion "Megademo".
        2.  The Silents Sweden.
        3.  Kefrens "Megademo #5".
        xx. Atomic Intelligence "Party Demo".
        xx. Atomic Team "Party Demo".
        xx. Beastie Boys "Sound System Demo".
        xx. Rebels "On Wheels of Steel".
        xx. The Silents "Legal".
        xx. The Silents "Viva The Silents".
        xx. The Silents and Northstar "We Eat Lamers For Breakfast".
        xx. The Band & Pixar  "New Stuff".
        xx. Share and Enjoy "Party Demo".
        xx. The Supply Team "Party Demo".
        xx. Trilogy "unknown".
http://imr.ip-design.com/imr/zwhats.htm
TSN       The Supply Team       C 64

i would say group unless they did a virus lol ?
Had look and compared it in hex with the other version in there,
Yes its a dos disk with a bootblock and it does right at the end The Supply Team and didnt work.
Were as the other ones looked standard.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on July 02, 2010, 03:48:03 PM
Good information Symmo :)
We have 5 sets on amiga dats from The Supply Team, none in c64 yet. I had the same opinion that it could be an error since Supply Team seems to be a group and i can't find any reference for that virus. Maybe someone could recheck this same set for virus with a different AV?

So "The Supply Team" as one group working both on Amiga and C64, right? :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on July 02, 2010, 03:56:48 PM
should be a proof, maybe this virus is also known under differenr name.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on July 02, 2010, 05:14:54 PM
Thanks for the proof :)
Title: supply team commodore 64
Post by: Symmo on July 03, 2010, 04:32:35 AM
http://imr.ip-design.com/imr/iview/c41tstsn.htm
well if u read this he talks about his groups and the tst (the supply team) maybe he started it ? he was saying how everyone wanted him to code there demos but he couldnt leave tst .so i would say yes  for c64 then he talks about amiga as well.
Here is proof http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/texts/imr/c115wizz.htm scroll down u see The Supply Team (Amiga now) and The Supply Team for the groups he was in.
Also if u go http://imr.ip-design.com/ there is list of more groups and members. c64 and amiga
About that virus i found there is a supply team virus .
ZeroVirus has it in it brainfile here
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eetfZp_z-0MJ:www.memphisamigagroup.net/diskmags/199110-05/ZeroVirusIII/ZeroVirus.BrainFile+amiga+bootblock+virus+supply+team&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

So it must be right with that pic that was posted .
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on July 03, 2010, 03:39:55 PM
Nice, didn't knew the abbreviation (TST). Now i need a in game picture of that from mai or others :D
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on July 03, 2010, 05:45:27 PM
Never found an abbrevation in any amiga game, but of course abbrevation is valid, there are many intros/demos available, where you can see, that "The Supply Team" used abbreviation "TST". (i will use this abbreviation now)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on July 03, 2010, 06:35:23 PM
Great! Added :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on July 03, 2010, 06:55:02 PM
...something more to add:

Agnostic Front = AF
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on August 17, 2010, 05:42:26 PM
....a proof for "Paradox" and their abbreviation.

Paradox = PDX
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on September 08, 2010, 07:44:56 PM
a new abbreviation:

Skillion = SKN

Country: Spain
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on September 08, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
done! thanks ;)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on November 10, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
SBS = Submission

Screenshot added.(abbreviation you can see in lower right corner)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on November 14, 2010, 09:39:05 AM
PSI = Plasma Shadow Inc.
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on November 14, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
Done! You and DemonHellraiser are doing an excellent work on Amiga groups :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on November 14, 2010, 04:01:25 PM
...as long as i can see it is worth, i will continue. :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on November 16, 2010, 06:41:20 PM
First, "Cyberactif" in database is spelled wrong, it is "Cyberaktif"
Cyberaktif = CAF
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: mai on January 09, 2011, 02:18:53 PM
I have to post a correction:
The correct abbreviation of the group "Freezers" is "FRS" and not "FRZ"
Freezers = FRS

see
http://bitworld.bitfellas.org/demo.php?id=24342
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on January 09, 2011, 02:54:01 PM
done :)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: Symmo on January 09, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
hi mai
TKaos didn't tell you how to see that ? :P
There are 10 sets using the TBD and it is valid already, i just didn't know which was their name but it seems both are valid, the abbreviation can be seen in a mouse pointer in GOD Compact Disk (1991)(Global Over Dose)[m TBD]   / Commodore Amiga - Compilations - Games i think, weren't you the one who found it out? :P
The other TBD abbreviation is found in 5 C64 sets but i don't know what they are, possibly the same group?
Its not its in the c64 sets by gar4 of trd and disk 3 is disk 1 :-)
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on January 09, 2011, 08:34:18 PM
So, any idea of what TDB means in following C64 sets??
Code: [Select]
Commodore C64 - Games - [D64]
Spirit of Adventure (1992)(Starbyte Software)(Disk 1 of 3 Side A)[cr TBD]
to
Spirit of Adventure (1992)(Starbyte Software)(Disk 3 of 3 Side A)[cr TBD]
Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: Symmo on January 10, 2011, 05:55:18 AM
My mistake was in a hurry had to go to work net so painfully slow thanks to the weather.
http://romtools.symmo.net/trd/ (http://romtools.symmo.net/trd/)
Ok case closed its Hysteric = HYS  done the cracking and stuff
Gar4 from trd fixed a bug that pb done he said in his scroll.


Title: Re: Amiga groups related
Post by: PandMonium on October 25, 2011, 02:58:35 PM
Thanks to DemonHellraiser (eab) i've added a few more notes on amiga scene groups :)