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Offline C0llector

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Who, What, When, Where
« on: October 21, 2009, 09:11:24 AM »
One thing I did like about the old tosec site was the information page showing who worked on what dat and when (hey it may have been just so that I could see name nick on a web page). But also it did show some continuity and in some cases enabled people that had worked on a particular set to get in touch with newer renamer's to iron out any problems.

One other problem I did have with some of the dat's I'd worked on but were then taken over by others was regarding the image formats. As I remember the idea of renaming the images was to enable people to correctly identify and rename images that they had acquired, but for some reason some renamers decided to whittle sets down to individual formats for specific systems and scrap the renaming work of the previous datter (hmm made up word there). This was most noticeable when you come to do a scan with a new dat and suddenly find that half your files were no longer recognized because the person doing the renaming had decided to convert all previous images into a different format.

Imagine what would happen if all of a sudden it was decided that the ADF format for the amiga was no longer valid and everyone should convert to DMS which in all honesty was probably the original Disk image format for distributing Amiga software in long before ADF was even thought of. I would imagine quite a few people would be unhappy.

So please bring back a web page showing who, what, where when, and if possible give some details about where the people have gone to. I know I vanished for some considerable time and I haven't seen Grendel around for a long time but there were plenty of other people actively renaming that just don't seem to be around anymore.




Offline PandMonium

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 10:57:30 AM »
Hi there,

well i don't know which of the previous websites you're talking about but i remember long ago one of them having a similar list or something, the problem is that it takes some time to create and update that if there were a lot of changes and i currently don't have a lot of it :P

Anyway from what i know:
TKaos - maintains a bunch of wierd system dats and is working on Atari 8bit and AppleII
Cassiel - Sega / Nintendo and some other systems too
gorski - Spectrum
Aral - all related with scans i guess :P
idoru - works mostly at toseciso dats currently
mek1 - Sharp and other strange jap systems?
Gruby - HomeLab and Microkey
mai - Amiga (for now games adf i think)

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 11:10:04 AM »
If/when images have been converted there were valid reasons for it.

"which in all honesty was probably the original Disk image format for distributing Amiga software in long before ADF was even thought of." doesn't count btw, nor is a terribly good example.

I maintain NEC/Nintendo/Sega/SNK but am currently cleaning up a loads of old, orphaned DATs in preparation for new release.

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 12:08:15 PM »
Well I'm happy to say that the Atari 8bit games DATs are almost fixed and only about 1400 left for checking, after that I can start to add some files but it won't be too many because I will most likely only add different cracks or games that are not yet in the database, doubt that i will add any more [a] files because the DAT is already filled with it.
Also the filetype of Atari8bit [COM] DATs will be changed to [XEX], the images don't need to be converted just checked if they are really Atari 8bit executables.

Apple II had a huge fix of scenegroups/sceners atm I only miss publisher name fixes until I will add more files again.
The "weird" systems PandMonium speaks of are for example (company) DEC / Tatung / PEL / Jupiter Ace.

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 01:00:41 PM »
There are no "weird" systems, they're all equaly 'special'.....   :D

Offline C0llector

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 11:18:34 AM »
Cassiel -

In the interests of clarity :) I must disagree with the following statement

"If/when images have been converted there were valid reasons for it."

The original reason for TOSEC was to document/identify/rename images that were available so that people could happily scan a directory of files and everyone would have the same file identified the same (hopefully correctly). That's one of the reasons there are so many (h)(o)(a) versions in most of the dats.

Move on a few years and as the ISO project is prooving (at least in my opinion) the main reason for tosec now shouldn't just be about identifying everything out there but actively identifying and renaming good images and by good images I don't only mean bit perfect dumps of C64 Tapes etc but also the working images of titles that have been hacked by the release groups and had an intro/trainer tacked onto the program.

There were/is some exceptional programming carried out by the hacker/release groups and I do like to see them (probably because I'm getting old and can look back fondly to the days of being a trader on the C64).

With reference to the ADF/DMS issue not being a good example I could have quoted other examples and in some cases working images that could have been played in an emulator were removed from dats because of format changes when no other versions of the software were available to include in the dat.

Other examples would be scapping all the speccy TAP images because the TZX format is more accurate, or scapping the ADF format because the IFO format better represents the data on the disk.

If we are honest enough about this then most people collecting the tosec sets aren't ever going to convert the images back into a format to play on the original systems, there is a chance that they may load something up in an emulator and with a bit of luck it may spark an interest in them.

I must admit I agree that there are no weird systems just lots of "very interesting systems" quite a few of which are in my Loft :)

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 10:05:46 PM »
I agree C0llector. 

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 09:31:53 PM »
the site you mention (..oh yeah; hi guys :wave:) was one of the older tosec sites wattie made. it parsed the dat headers for the info and generated a list of all the active renamers and the dat "maintainers". besides that i used to have a list with all the active renamers on it which was used on newer sites, but since my life kinda got really complicated a few years back i haven't been able to stay in touch much with the people working on the project and the old list i still should have around here somewhere is now too outdated to be usefull anymore...

oh, and:

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i just might for a bit if i'm still welcome after leaving without much of an explanation ;)

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 09:42:15 PM »
Hi Grendel, nice to see you're still alive and well.
Everyone wanting to help the project is always welcome and as you know you will always have a place here, even it not much active due to your personal life :)
Anyway, feel free to visit and post here from time to time to see what's happening as your life permits it (but take care of real stuff first :P), i think we're heading in the right direction and looking for some nice things in the future! ;D

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 09:47:36 PM »
Hi and welcome back Grendel. :)

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 10:06:58 PM »
Hi Grendel, nice to see you're still alive and well.
Everyone wanting to help the project is always welcome and as you know you will always have a place here, even it not much active due to your personal life :)
Anyway, feel free to visit and post here from time to time to see what's happening as your life permits it (but take care of real stuff first :P), i think we're heading in the right direction and looking for some nice things in the future! ;D

alive yes, well wellll......;)

btw, i just noticed the new release; too bad you guys didn't wait for a few days longer since january 18th will be tosec's 10th anniversary;)

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 10:10:43 PM »
I had no idea of that specific date, plus we already waited for so long that it really needed to be done, maybe we need to do a new one in that day then :P

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 10:18:59 PM »
i started making my own dats and finished my first tnc january 18th 2000 and the first official site was launched august 18th that year if i remember correctly. you could also use that date as the official anniversary ofcourse :D

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 10:37:24 PM »
I will try not to forgot it then :P
There was no way for me to know that date, i wasn't around back then (wasn't even old enough to vote :D) and i don't have much of the older material unfortunately. :(

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Re: Who, What, When, Where
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2009, 10:38:49 PM »
maybe we need to do a new one in that day then :P

Yes, good idea, i was very busy with my dat since last release.

..and a great welcome back to Grendel, probably the father and former of TOSEC.