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Offline Xttx

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 12:09:23 PM »
Some progress report:

BK0010-01(011M)
I dumped all my collection from 7 floppys and 62 tapes, all of wich containing about a dozen of games. I  compared my dumped collection with the files I downloaded from the net, and I have eliminated all the dupes.
Now I have 28 proper disk images in .bkd format (800kb each). Without dupes (but including alternative versions, even those that seems to be the same).
5 of those images are done. I mean properly renamed and ready to upload. It's 17.78% :)

Sinclair QL
At the time I write this post, the "Comercial Games" folder is beyond uploaded im my directory on your ftp in /Xttx/Sinclair QL Unrenamed/Commercial_Games.
About half of them I have bought on i-net auction. Fortunately, the were all shipped in .zip format.

Sharp x68k
After checking all I have with unrenamed dats there is no so much to do.
- Castlevania - but even this, I don't shure at all, that it is not allready in tosec with original Japan name.
- Dennou Club Vol. 01-100 (1988)(Mankai Seisakujo). In tosec dat we are only 95 of 100. I did find the last 5. Will upload all this today.

TosecISO
... in stand by mode.

Offline PandMonium

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 01:17:19 PM »
Nice work,
About the bk stuff, i'm more interested in new missing things that you might have, or dumps you got for sets we only have bad dumps, hacks or something similar, don't like to have many dumps that seem exactly similar but if they are few and maybe they have some difference you can't figure out easily (dif revision for instance?).

Sinclair QL - You seem to really have a LOT of sets for this which is great cause we have really few, this needs some new dats with proper categories to group software by type like you have in folders, hope you can dump them too someday to a valid format (like the disk images you talked earlier)

Sharp x68k - This is a bit complicated i guess and the last official dats were a bit shit according to mek1, he was sorting this out and producing new ones but i don't see him for some weeks now, i think it is better for you to wait in this front and just upload what you have.


I would recommend that (if you want / like), to focus on the first 2 since they aren't maintained currently and you have good knowledge on them, i'm sure you will do a good work and if that is the case (and you want it off course :P) you'll became part of our team :)

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 03:12:14 PM »
BK:
It's really the pain with theese "[a]" versions :( Even in hex they are the parts that are complytely different. But when you play them, there is no difference at all! At least at 10 firsts minutes...
Maybe you can help me here, or just give a clue....
For example:
1). Tetris.bin - 17042b; Tetris.ovl - 13003b; tetris.scr - 11762.
2). Tetris.bin - 15998b; Tetris.gme - 18361b; Tetris.ovl - 13003b; tetris.scr - 11762 (last two same as above).
3). Tetris.bin - 17042b; Tetris.ovl - 31441b (note the difference); tetris.scr - 11762.
It is the same game. Who can say that version 3 has not some more level? Or maybe it just overdumped. Or maybe version 1 is underdumped. And version 2 has something that other versions have not, but the main file (.bin) is smaller in size - maybe it have nice intro but the ingame graphic is less... less detailed or something...
What should I choose????
Until now, I gave them [ax] flag, but me too, I comletely agree with you that the best is to have as less [a] as possible.
And there are A LOT of such dumps :(

QL
As soon as i finish with BK, I will properly unzip all the sets I have to QL floppy images, rename them, then reupload them, but in TNC renamed form. Until that, I will continue to buy the QL software here and there and upload it to your ftp. The goal is to get all the software pieces listed in QL Wiki. Actually, we are already have 85% of it :).

X68K
Will just upload castelevenia and the missing magazines.

TosecISO
As i can see, it is updated almost everyday.... Maybe when i will finished, my contribution will not be usefull anymore :)
Anyway, dump a CD is not so difficult as dump a PC incompatible floppy, so, when BK and QL will be finished, we'll see...

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2009, 05:52:11 PM »
i'm sorry but my knowledge about the system or about dumping in general is weak and i can't help you much, there are a lot of cases for alternate sets, from being different versions (valid reasons) with something you can't identify, to alternates because of small hacks or changes in small files or in things like hiscores or even errors while dumping (that can cause bad dumps or u/o) :P
I can't help you on about it as i'm not sure of what you could do to see if it is a good dump, you could try to dump something more than one time or in diff hardware to see if the sets are different :S

My suggestion is that if you end up having a bunch of alternates with no visible differences just upload them and wait so maybe someone can check them and they will get included, i prefer that someone checks them properly before adding because they can end up being bad dumps and already added to the dats when they are just garbage for example.
Are you dumping from original media?

About QL, that's great news, there may always appear new sets so we will never know if we have 100% but it will be way better than our current dat with only 33 sets :P

TOSECISO
Yes, iso part is way more active, probably because there are more guys helping out and also due to the way it works, letting people dump their original (only) media and adding to the db so sets can be matched to form verified good dumps. Working on non iso is more boring sometimes and going back to fix mistakes done by others in the past is even worst :P

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2009, 09:00:55 AM »
Just a little progress report.
I'm working on 11th image of 28. And almost done with this one. It should be ~37% :)

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2009, 01:16:57 PM »
15 of 28 done. ~53%

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2009, 03:31:25 PM »
Take your time, when it's done i will check it for usual mistakes and hopefully add it to our project. :)

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2010, 08:42:29 AM »
I did not take a pause, it's just REALLY LONG process....
22 of 28 done, 23 on the way. (78.5%).

QUESTION:
There some (about a dozen) of games, that consist of multiple files, and theese files are cyrillic. I can (and I do) rename the main file (loader) of such games, but if i rename the rest of files, the game just will not find them.
There are two things i can do:
SOLUTION1: Just let them as they are. In cyrillic. But zipped, and with zip file renamed properly using TNC.
SOLUTION2: Create a 800kb image for those games (their size varies from 5 to 50kb. But more often it's 15-20kb). I don't know why, but even empty BK0010-011 image zips very bad (the size goes from 800 (unzipped), to 650 (zipped at the "BEST" compression method)). So, with this solution we strongly grow the size of set.
And with so;ution 1, some peoples couldn't play that games (just as me, trying to mount image with japanaise filename on Sharp x68k emu).
So, what do we do?

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Re: Dumps that are not in tosec yet: May be this could be useful for the teem.
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2010, 09:08:57 AM »
I think solution 2 will be fine, the size of a set doesn't matter that much anymore nowadays when you have 1-2TB harddrives, on the other hand we also use solution 1 for some systems (Enterprise 64&128, Matsushita National JR 200) so lets wait some more opinions. :)